COH: Europe In Ruins

I've always noticed that there is more axis vet inf than allied and I thought that maybe this could be a significant factor
(in addition to others, I'm not saying its the only reason)

A riflesqaud, volks and grens all give 1xp per man
that means a riflesqud killed gives 2 more xp than grens and 1 more than volks.

Over time that 1 xp multiplied by 6 rifles and 10 games is 60xp
So to balnce this small thing it would be to make grens give 1.25xp (i know its getting stupid now) and volk to give 1.20 xp
simply reduce riflemen vet requirements to match wouldn't fix the axis getting a little more xp every time on all their units.

Good point.

volks shouldn't be more, volks are worth less than rifles.

Volks are being underestimated then.

he wasnt being naughty was he? his first post seemed ok..

anyways, always wondered how much xp my fileman get for killing infantry etc..   i use all my infantry to kill other infantry, support units etc, i dont bother with armor, no stickys at all so ya, its taking forever to fill up the xp on my rifles, i have 7 rifles who have been in all 6 games, they range from 25xp to 10 xp.. all infantry only kills.. so ya, it will take a bit before they get vetted up.

hmm I think thats a good idea ununoctium..

Volks should stay at 1.0 while Grens could indeed give a 1.25 modifier. Good idea man!

This

I honestly have no idea if this will actually work. There's never been a fractional xp gain on any unit. We can try it though.

yeah thats why the backup idea was reduce rifleman vet requirements to compensate but it doesn't cover tanks etc.

option 3 is multiply ALL vet on everything by 10  or 100 to avoid decimals.

I believe one of my Shermans once claimed it had 19.5 XP. Maybe a bug or something, either way, that company is wiped now :( if there are records of it, you could look. I would have taken a screen shot if I had known this would come up. Either way, the easiest thing to do is to just the veterency requirements on the allied units. Give the axis units higher requirements and you can balance it on a unit by unit basis.

Grenadiers already give 2 exp, volksgrenadiers and PzGrens give 1 exp.
It's to do with riflemen killing power and their poor survivability, rather than the few axis targets ;).

are you sure grens give 2xp?

then storms and knights cross should give 3 not 2

KCH give 4.

can we get tables of how much xp you get from killing what because this discussion really can't go anywhere without it.

Stormtroopers give 2.5, so it is possible.

http://www.coh-stats.com/basics/vetgain.html

sweet.

actually, there's more vetted axis infantry because of their high survivability + their high weapon strengths so they can kill more. Also, grens have schrecks, which can take out tanks, which gives more xp. (most tanks give 10) so if you have a schreck squad take out 2 tanks, that's easily vet 2, 2 or 3 more tanks and boom vet 3, not so hard. On the other hand, rifles mainly just damage tanks and dont take them out and you see a lot of high vet rangers because of killing tanks same as grens.

Now...as to the fact that there's a lot of vet axis infantry, look at the grenadier vet list, look how many vet 3 and vet 2. There are 30 yes 30 vet 3 grens and 20 on that list that are vet 2, lord knows how many of them there are reallly.

To compare to allies

9 rifles are vet 3
12 rangers
4 ab

so basically, there are more vet 3 grens by themselves than there are for the three main allied infantry, something is seriously wrong there.

brits ditto

9 commandos
1 piat commando
8 tommies
2 recon tommies

i dont think i need say more, grenadiers need their vet requirement raised.

We could always restrict the purchase of the LMG to 1. They'd kill a metric ton less than they do.

Is your girl prescribing you meds Scyn? whats gotten into you?

Lolz, Denied.

Sarcasm.. I has it.

So do Brn and I  ;)

so on a serious note, do you guys agree or disagree because this is obviously a huge disparity for a unit that every wehr can field that has that much of a vet advantage against the other wise. I have no bias in this just noting something just insane.

Unfortunately you cannot use the leader board to show strength of a unit.  I suck at retreating so none of my grens are up on the vet board... and vice versa.  I think it's not something to worry about tym.

+ there were classically and will be soon doctrines that effect vet gain rate.

Uh no?  Its because there are more wehr players than every other race, thats why there are more vetted grens.

Other than my chuck norris squad of grens axis infantry has less xp than their allied counterparts on the leaderboard. 

4 are mine :P

yeah but rifles are a nightmare at vet2 because they just get focusfired.

grens can get xp with shrecks and then switch to lmgs and be anti inf monsters Thats why with PE its ok because a shreck squad is one forever.

same with brit infantry

Only grens can be both powerful AI and AT

Very true. Maybe make it so you have anti tank gren squads and anti infantry gren squads just like pe do?

also in vcoh, if you buy a schreck or lmg, you can't change it, maybe we can do this somehow but i think just changing it so you have lmg gren squad and schreck gren squads just like the pe, we can prevent that.

Whine moar!

I get freaking PANZER GRENADIERS to vet 3 pretty regularly.

If PGs can do it, Rifles can do it a hell of a lot easier.

I'm talking G43s, not those sissy Assault Grens or Schrek Grens.

Tym anyone who takes a Hybrid gren squad is asking for trouble. specialized grens are worth way more. so limiting them doesn;t really serve a purpose

Tymy, it will mess up gren availability.

So this can be laid to rest.