COH: Europe In Ruins

This is a 1v1 I had with Pak. Now I understand that balance shouldn't be based around 1v1s and its partly the fault of the map but this game left me scratching my head and thinking 'I literally cannot beat this,' which isn't something I think very often as I am generally a decent player.

The only thing I could think would be overwhelming armour spam but remember the FJs have 2 fausts each so even then its gonna be pretty tough.

Look how quickly rifles die to these dudes, its insane.

http://www.filefront.com/14056893/EuropeInRuinsBattle.sga

ps. ignore my shit start :)

http://www.filefront.com/14056887/uncounterable.rec

You should try to first reorganize your method of flanking.
That is all I have to say about that.

lol, wait when half of those suckers gets Pschreck... it will make you your day (not like AB that can't have stupid BAR :D okok OT, I know...) pfff :)

gonna watch now

slightly bizzarre contribution considering he used no support teams and no hard points. What exactly would you flank?

1 vet 1 squad of paks falls stood in no cover and took out 4 barred riflemen in green cover short/med range without losing a man against me :/

qft?

kinda gay, maybe the fg42 is too good?

Keep in mind he has crete vetrens!

yet he still should have lost atleast 2 men imo :p

ya, 1 4 man squad vs 4 6 man squads with bars?  8 bars?  something doesnt seem right there.. even KCH would get beat to shit against that.  fg42 op?

OK, I watched the replay.

/rage_mode on

AND I MUST ROLL ON THE FLOOR HOW FUNNY THIS IS: They don't give BARs to Airborne because it would be OP or what, but THIS ain't OP (in terms of the AB case)? How? Seriously, I'm asking you HOW?! FJs in no cover totally raping other infantry in green cover (Triage nearby). I'm not really sure Airborne could be raping like that with BARs (and absolutely not without SF) because as I've said before players are gonna find every little piece of cover to cover their FJs. Even if FJs would be in no cover, they'd still be beating crap outta you till you pin 'em completely. Not to mention the "crazy" bonusses FJs can get. And now they can even purchase Panzerschreck. If the Fire Up is the biggest problem, replace it with sprint (because those bad guys somehow can have it). Or remove it completely and give them those BARs for free. I don't know, just do something! My head will probably explodes in a few seconds :o AAARGH!

/rage_mode off

I'm BEGGING you devs, GIVE MY PARATROOPERS BARS, PLEASE! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;) ;D

Give Grenadiers Mp44 plz.

maybe the airborne can get the carbine treatment from infantry doc... thats why airborne has issues with infantry, it doesnt have the proper fire rate of the actually carbine.

Airborne are fine at anti-infantry, they have good hp and several doctrine buffs meaning even though their carbine sucks, they can win a firefight through attrition and focus fire.  I dropped 4 ABs behind someone yesterday and suppressed a squad of assault grens with carbines  ;D

You need to remember that falls are only 4 men, can't fire up, and don't have zooks. 

They are 4 men but still seem kinda tough. They got Sprint (does that even have Exhaustion?), which isn't the same as Fire Up but it means "get outta here quickly!" too and no, they don't have 'zooks, they don't even have RRs - they got Panzerschreck. hehe.

looooool
 EIR goes fucked up so hARD :D

EIR is NOT about skill, big disillusion for me.
Shame for players like PAK. they r fa***  poor childs.





 devs, before u delete my post, PLEASE, try to think again about blobin elite inf.
  ....  maybe time to end my career in EIR  ::)

nope, instead they have one of the best guns in the came, can sprint, can paradrop and can cloak.

and they come in the best doctrine for PE...and the most popular reinforcement doctrine.

oh, and shreks.

i told Sach thats the 1st time ever i had that many falls on the field. In a team game it would be impossible for me to field such a force. I would have to get counters for AT mgs and mortars. I still feel Bars can beat falls once you hit the " I win" suppression fire.

They aren't tough.  At all.  They die very quickly...you just have to live long enough to shoot them...

Well since we have 1v1 now, you can always test counters for lots of things and see how they actually pan out.

Keep in mind he has like 860+ munitions on the field at one time as well.

 f u  pak.

 (sry devs)

Raio, you do realize that the point of falls is to COUNTER INFANTRY...right?  What do you expect?


For Sach...might try nades...

im talkin about virtue, not Fjs Crazy.

They don't natually come with shrecks.  Thats a doctrine choice, and to quote someone before, dotrines are supposed to make units better.  Sprint is good for running away, but won't unpin you.  And yes, they do have one of the best guns in the game, compounded by vet/doctrine choices.  Expect them to be good against inf.  However, tanks crush these thing pretty easily.
I have falls as blitz.  They are pretty good, but can only fight un upgraded inf, and must stay in cover. Perhaps the doctrine choices need to be looked at if they are unbalancing the unit.

well then carry on.  Sorry.

wtf my falls dont do that......

Falls are gonna get schreks and you all will cry in fear.

Ambush wont affect the panzershrek, was what I heard last from Sheik Abdul Salan (Allah praise his name). As long as they dont start suddenly receive piat ambush-like rape modifiers to a single shrek, they will pose no more threat to tanks than grenadiers with single shreks.

As for the game, it was interesting enough, but you should have sought a different way to engage the fallschirms than "finding" them by being ambushed! Capping a bit around, try to draw him out. You badly needed mortars to hit his cover, riflenades would have owned. Angoville 1v1 allows for a lot utility units from EIRR.

they can get zooks, and sprint...

You need to also remember a single fall with an FG42 in no cover can rape 2 squads of vanilla rifles at medium range, when the rifles are in heavy cover, without losing a man.

Oh was that a happy day.

What do you think BARed rifles are for?

Compared to FG42s, the BAR's AI capabilities are not even in the ball park.

There is no park and the team has relocated.. especially with crete vets.

Sach, tbh, you got soundly beaten man. I (mabey) saw one flank from you the entire game, and it was a two pronged one.

With that many fg42s, focus fire is your worst enemy. 3 or more directions of attack will mitigate this.

Pak blobbed hardcore, and its angoville with no support weapons from him. If he's not on your side of the map, he's on the other. Take the long way around and hammer him from all sides.

There were times when half your force was engaged and you forgot to move the other half. (fighting around triage while rangers were siting around the southern choke house)

The fg42 isnt op. Those falls were vet2/3 with crete vets vs. vanilla rifles, and BARed rifles do nothing to increase the survivability of rifles to begin with so that's no argument.

You guys seem to think that heavy cover will have some kind of effect on that, but its not going to.

But FG42's are the only thing I've got going for my PE right now! :'(

Then your not using PE correctly tbh

says the guy who gets his vet3 ist killed by a bombing run




:P

Similar to how you use the British then? xD

yea when you deck out your company with fgs you expect some good to come out with it. considering if they don't have shreks they have fausts that only damage a vehicle, not destroy, only exceptional against infantry. when airborne with RR can take on unupgradded infantry, most of the time, destroy every tank imaginable, also has a "get out of jail free card" by default, hey FJs could do that to... but it costs a T4(no crete veterans though so average against infantry than). so by comparison its quite balanced to what eachother can do, except when they get shreks then there maybe be some balanced issues, but lets see first hand n not whine beforehand eh.