COH: Europe In Ruins

how did u learn to play this game style...did u slug it out getting smashed until u figured out wat u where ment to do and have it finally click how u where ment to play in a way that would bring u victory?

or did u, like i did lose a couple of rounds and then watch some of the replays posted on the site to figure out wat was better strategy and company build...?
i still lose lose at least half my games thats because i am not that great a player, but i have learnt how to use units to the most of there ability.

basically the biggest thing is retreating is NOT an option, and that takes almost forever to go over.

in vCoH - "OMG they're gonna beat me, retreat ASAP". Lose no units in a squad if you do it early enough, usually little to no consequence, in 1-2 minutes the unit will probably be back where it was.

in EIR - "OMG they're gonna beat me, i can't do anything!!!".  Either lose the unit by retreating or fight in the hope you'll do some damage.  Major consequences.

Slugged it out, 2 months, with the most appauling W/L ratio ever seen i believe, 25W/110L if i recall

i learnt all i needed than found WM, Buffed to hell Faction.

Now learning Allies and well past experiences help massively

hahha, i got smashed...like thunder smashed! My teammates were like: da fuck.... YOU FUCKING NOOB! I WILL NEVER PLAY WITH YOU AGAIN... FUCKING RETARD..omg omg omg turn the pak..sigh...!!!!  >:(...


thats the best way to learn'! but the old ways to teach new players is gone... now its like really really noob friendly. Thats way the new ones dont get as good...like me? :D

All I remember is deleting my account several times because my win loss ratio was actually that terrible

 That was yesterday, not that hard to remember.  :P ;)


-Wind

Took me about a week to get good, i was already good at micro and shit all i needed was to get used to not retreating instantly when suppressed and how to build a decent company (which i learnt from only playing with and against the eir pros at the time), after that was easy mode.

Once you get the basics and know what the current metagame is (so you can build a good company) its all about micro tbh.

I won my first match somehow, I found out that retreating my Rangers caused them to leave the battlefield etc like every noob does (at an inopportune moment) but my Armour Company ally carried the match even with a noob ally such as myself.  I remember when people used to avoid me as an ally, but then I got Air Superiority and so began a lifelong love affair with offmaps.

I was playing with a noob the other day who basically picked up the gist of things after just a couple games and was playing competently on his second match.  He was in vent with a mic, explained what was in his company, listened to advice etc and I enjoyed playing with him because he communicated and asked questions throughout the match.  It helped us to win against two seasoned opponents. 

This made me think that whilst the community needs to take responsibility in training up the new guys, they should be pro-active in learning too.  You don't need to get stomped a 100 times to get good at this mod, you can fast forward to the good times with some straightforward preparation. 

Lost my first 20 games or so straight as axis. Then, switched to allies and somehow improved. (6 sherman with OBM ftw). Along the way got a lot of my allies pissed at me xD.

I found when i started, Eir very easy, i had so little previous Vcoh experiance i didnt know what a pz4 was... I abused some seriously broken shit to learn the basics and eventually improved my game from the. Ranger spam anyone? where bazookas could kill anything and a start of 2 smg's without zookies and 2 zooks alone was unbeatable.

as mukip said it is the most important thing that you talk to other people in vent so you are able to learn the mechanic fast ;)

First game i played was with Apex so it went well. The hardest part was figuring out the call in system and make proper call ins not just a bunch of 25 pop ones lol. So that took maybe 2-3 games then i pretty much settled in. It wasnt that hard for me after that since i was already a good vCoH player in team games and some what good in 1v1s. I always used to tell people to play 1v1s just to improve your micro and understanding of the game. It makes a huge addition to 2v2 play and you see vast improvements in your gameplay.

yup it was pretty common unless you had a 75% win most people wouldnt bother playing along

1st game :
1. No AT start.
2. Was with a newb who also had no AT.
3. 1 Tiger came in and raped us both.
4. I had 2x 2xHowitzer platoons. And then another 1x howitzer platoon.
5. Everything in my coy was 18 pop and above.

Good times xD.

Lost like my first 10 games or so, before I really got good and found my coy(I love you, airborne elite. Love you.).

Good times...

very true!

i am also a player who started off with no AT in the beginning, that's a death sentence! My W:L was horrible for the first 2 months. Then I finally started getting better.

First things first, read all the guides, we have guides for company builds and such, then, get ventrilo, let people know you are new, and ask for help, people will generally (especially if you are on vent) give you all sorts of advice, such as "OMG do you have AT in your first call in? are your other call ins that aren't your first around 12pop?" that kind of thing. then play a game, watch the replays learn from it.

having an understand of 1v1 as pak said helps a lot, you need to know micro, how the units work. all i ever played was comp stomps for the most part, so coming here was a whole new world, i learned the importance of cover, flanking, properly microing your vehicles, and the more you play and these things become second nature, you can learn harder and harder techniques, such as pushing enemy units out of cover.

You also learn little tricks, like always having  call in of 3 jeeps or bikes to counter snipers, everyone has different sniper counters.

But the most important thing is to learn from your mistakes and improve on them. And knowing that it will take awhile. I'm just now at the point where I feel confident playing against almost any player, and I've been playing for, jeez, since old EIR.

I lost my first 1000 or so games before some ancient voice on ventrilo asked me 'how strong I was'. Ever since then I've turned the tables and even try to do some mentoring myself by asking others the very same question.

 :P

Everyone Lai touches instantly becomes good.

Play with those units you are comfortable around making pay for themselves, aka spam companies. Once you run into situations/games those units cant solve, expand your company. Gradually you'll include more and more units to solve situations ingame, or learn to use those units you already had differently. Thats one way to adapt to EIRR. Then come on the forums a bitch a lot, and you'll instantly be one of the boys.

I joined EIR after reading Smokaz' post on GR, where he specifically said you were GOING to lose your first 10 games, so don't worry about it...and that was pretty much exactly what happened...went like 1-11, then got the hang of it, became more of a 50/50 player for a lil while til I finally figured things out like a week before old EIR ended...

Oh, and I miss the Stacked t4...and old heavy support...

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

 Heartbreaking!

i went lose , lose, lose, get shouted at by apex, get beaten by apex, win 1v2, 2 of my teammates dropped,  got ok when shout at by the likes of killer, kept losing to volks everytime, turns out the reason why all the volks had assault was because it was bugged, that was really shit, never played with certain members, watched replays, asked ppl about company builds, playing with good ppl never helped, if anything playing with bad ppl on your team helped, because some1 has to rise to the occassion and help own, and then learned never to go toe-toe with a kt with anything minus 3 ATGs........

My 1st Win/loss was around 12-30 or something which i thought was alright, considering id be joining blatent stacked games, also play axis

I do have to say, first finding the faction that works with you is best. actually, i guess which doctrine works best for the way you play. took me awhile before i learned that, i was using the wrong doctrines and buying the wrong units for those doctrines. you dont go heavy support and not spam mortars, MGs, and paks. you don't go TR and not have 4-5 ATGs in your company. things like that. And that helped me out a lot.

Who was that voice?

I sucked when I started and I still suck.
But I can still put away more whiskey in one sitting them any of you young bucks around here.

I do believe I hold the record for most pass outs in game!!! Just ask Wild, it was usually with him....lol

I started out being a pretty good 1v1 automatch player, good micro and understanding of units. Hardest thing for me starting out was learning how to build an effective company and getting a feel for what I needed at what time. For the most part I was just way too dang cautious. I didn't push hard enough.

 I played for about a week with an atrocious ratio, then was one of the better players at the time by about 2 weeks or so. I played a lot with Schultz and he was a pretty good mentor as well as a good partner.

After several months I got to my prime where in addition to having good micro and macro, I knew most of the modifiers in the game, could guess the rest, and could identify any vehicle in the Fog of war, and managed to find ways to encourage myself to be more aggressive. Unfortunately I'm sure I've lost a lot of that by now...

EiRR is like riding a bicycle, you can't forget it.

Its more like swimming, you would die if you forgot.

Noob! You can, it's proved by scientists! You can forget everything. My first game after 1 month without touching to the PC, was like first time being disconnect from the Matrix.

The Devil, I think.  ;D

Damn, I knew the good stuff always laid with him.

Apex isn't the Devil

i couldn't believe it the second time lol

touch me lai! touch me!!!!

Hmm, thats kinda gay... do de do do da do  ::)

First game ever was a 1v1 to get the hang of things. After gettin raped i stopped playing and just thought "*** this *** mod of a *****"  >:(


Some days later i watched another Shoutcast and thought, ok i really do want this, give it another try.

Found a game in the launcher andi can only remember that one guys name, Apex :P

I won that game with some stormtrooper sneak attacks!

Now i am here.

Apex, 1v1, struz.  Then with AmPm yelling at me for the next 2 years :)

first game was with Lt.Apollo in a 2vs2... we got man handled


I really got good when reinforcements mode was introduced and got a good 40 games to exercise my 1vs1 skills in EIR ,where i didnt have to rely on anyone else for awhile.

started out as wehr and lost almost every game. (first 2 weeks of EIRR) Everyone yelled at me and called me a noob and blah blah blah.

eventually i learned to just conserve my troops as much as possible and not retreat immediately. (especially for wehr)

Then i played airborne as allies. KICKED ASS!!! i miss my old ass airborne company.  :'(  (played airborne for a few months).

Learned how little skill it required to play AB. I struggled a bit on the other American doctrines because they just sucked ass.
That was way at the very beginning of EIR Reinforcements. Before all of those doctrine buffs and shit.

Went back to Wehr and learned how beautiful the ninja pak (still loved and missed) and KT were. Still struggled with win/loss ratio because i was just always outplayed either by airborne, commandos, or rangers.
Learned that it sucks to have a starting call in.

Now i am PE and enjoying it a lot. it's a good challenge; especially TH. PE is the shit the baby!  8)

now that u point it out.... it is really gay....

I remember my first game of EiRR (which was about 5 months ago).  I think it was with LtApollo, who I recognized from my previous 1 week spurt of EiR.  I thought he was a legend ;D

I got better by just playing a lot lol.

he is a legend

Just not THAT kind of legend.

There is being famous, and infamous. There is also being Legendary, and LEGENDARY!


then there is people remembering your name but not your skills.


As to answer the original question. I played Sudden Strike for 2 years, so the limited forces approach was familiar to me

If you see someone called Torjado, watch out! He is commonly referred to as the 'destroyer of worlds' and he was already ancient when EIR was young

Started out by watching 1 of Salan's fantastic shoutcasts, got intrigued by the game...and told myself that I could do better than the allies in the shoutcast who kept blobbing into MG42s and dying.

Of course I proceeded to get owned for the first 10 games or so.

Then I found rangers, and artillery fortification, and OBM Pershing / Sherman goodness. And lightning war Wehrmacht. And the rest is history 8)

The key is knowing when to go all in to rout an enemy, and to slowly damage them with superior recon and ranged support weapons. Hit high value targets and destroy them, attack where enemy is weak, avoid where strong; else arty the shit out of that strong position.

Well getting stomped all the time sure as hell doesnt improve you at all, as some people may say.
Sure i thought that 20 people saying same would be true but bah..

The way i have learned playing (even the smallest bit) is by experience. Hell, i downloaded EiR after 2 days gameplay of vCoh so i was utter newbshit when i came here, and hell yeah, i sure did fuck things up! On my side...
The reason i have learned to play is my team mates. I never have problems with a team since we.. Ehm.. "Waffen PP" *stack* all the time, with the same team, so it really backs up my lack of focus. I dont think that i have weaknesses in bacis overall, but more like lack of micro/focus on multiple units.

So if you want to get better, one way that improves your gameplay is getting better in teamwork, as that helps you up alot. And i mean alot..

Oh yea, forgot to mention. Just that i had same team usually, doesnt mean that i didnt get yelled at xD

I Got my asss handed to m a couple of games then i sat downa nd looked at the company I wanted to play.  Scrap king told me how i play, I tried his style... I endedup with arecord much liek his... about a 4-1 loss to win ratio.. Shitty. 

I liked armor, so i looked at allied armor.. I saw that unit call ins could be halved with any vehicle except a keep. 

Clown car HTs were born for me, Flammers and Rifles with bars and stickies came in them.. Soon i saw Lots of Late game INfantry un upgraded ownign my rifles, Grens and volks kickign my ass, the days when Infantry came out in around 80 pop casp late game, all un upgraded to kill you...  So i put Engis in Hts and had an 8 pop cap call in i could work with and 4 of those could Cap double time ( VEhicles cap and engin inside) And kill that pesky late game infantry... 

I got Hts costing 300 MP up from 150 i think. 

Snipers were also in my early builds, No one used them, And whn i say no one i ran into maybe 1, Ithey were 5 pop cap.  I vcovered them With Quads... Both got price increases. 

Calliopes broke up German blobs, Firing every 80- seconds,then every 60....  Ahhh the days of 150 Calli kills....  They soon got massive nerfs and have never found a place since, UNtill i saw yaxis use callis and i hold the line... What a fuckign reversal of roles. 



I tell everyone new to this mod the same thing... 

PLAY YOUR GAME, don;t try to be someone else.  Have fun your way and try to play it to your stretghs... Just because i am good at something doesn;t man u will be.  So enjoy it...

The worst thing new people can do, Is try to play someone elses strat before trying to find their own... Balenced, or unba;lenced, PLay to your game style.