COH: Europe In Ruins

I've recently ran into a problem with Jadewolf using gliders to fly into buildings and instantly destroy them. It is just stupid that you can use such a cheap unit like a glider jeep to completely level a building. This is game breaking and needs to be looked into. You could effectively load up on glider jeeps and take down any building at will rather cheaply. If you could please look into this issue, I have  had this happen to me in two games which was game changing in both of them from this exploit. I can send you the replay to watch if you need it.

I can confirm that jade does do this quite often.

I myself have done it a few times to see how it's done, and I can say it is definately not fair that a jeep can effectively wipe out a building with 2-3 squads garrisoned in it.

its never been listed as an exploit, and unless they put in the rectangle glider drop (which still doesn't stop this) nothing that can ever be done about it.

bin laden builldings classic
while this is annoying it can be costly if it deos fail you either have to spend MORE on another jeep or let the MG live
besdes its not rely much game changing
since when was knowing a trick against the law

I've been doing this for ages on my commando account. I don't see a problem with it. Creative use of a unit

I think it's retarded; you will never convince me otherwise and many other people agree with me. It has been game changing as the one mg in a full health house gets taking out and a huge blob comes rushing in the gap. So ya, I would say that's game changing and in my mind an exploit as well.

agree with jodomar

We should probably not let commando jeeps come in individual platoon gliders.

shout outlaw ramming buildings with tanks too!

it is a bit of a pain when done INTENTIONALLY thou as you don't get much warning.


that would probably make it more cost ineffective

I agree with unknown's suggestion.

A 110 MP 10 FU jeep insta-killing an HMG in a building - something the brit may not even have a counter to in the rest of his coy CAN be gamechanging indeed, and using it like that is just plain retarded.

Glider Jeep should only glider with other units.

Possibly, but it's a small price to pay to solve this exploit.
Just put more than one unit in a glider and it'll be fine.

Otherwise you could still call in the jeeps, but they'd move on the field like regular ones do - rather than nuke something in a glider.

Isnt this balanced out by the fact that gliders can be destroyed upon landing , losing you the units>?

Would you care about losing a 110 MP 10 FU jeep that you sent at the building for the sole purpose of destroying the building?

Make the Glider and Upgrade for a callin, similar to a halftrack in use.

Then you can set a cost on the glider, players then determine whether or not the advantage is worth it. Also allows price decrease of normal Mando's to make them usable as the glider is no longer figured into their pricing.

No but I Do care when that random event happens where AT targets my glider of a commando squad and a piat squad, and 200+ munitions goes down the toilet. I also would care about the increase in reinforce time from doing this repeatedly.

perhaps you shouldn't land your glider so far forward then

If there was a way to counter it it would be another story, but from what I can tell there isnt any, so sounds rather gay.

Doesn;t whiberl shot down gliders like US planes?

They still crash where they would have normally.

(http://www.cacillo.it/Osama%20Bin%20Laden%20-%20Soccer%20player.jpg)


From Bin Laden: "Hey listen Jade my man, keep up with the good work on the gliders."

put a parachute on the jeep problem solved.  

Ostwinds and pumas both shoot down gliders before they go to you as wel...

Yeah dis' shit is light!

Remodel the Commando jeep with the SAS/LRDG model out there and i don't care fi it has to arrive in an LCT. it's a sexy model

That's an argentinian soccer vest lmfao.

?

Look at 3rdCondor's post.

lol
lets test it fly a glider with a jeep into a building with 3 guys in it the we'll know for sure  ;)

(http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Stupid/osama_bin_laden_toast.jpg)

I gotta admit that the last game I played with bin laden gliders was pretty sexy, even though we lost. Gj Jade!

0.O.....O.0 ^ its the new rifle

Uh, last couple games I played (2 vs jade btw) the units still came out even if the glider is destroyed.

It's broken alone by the fact it comes down so fast there's no way you can take your unit out in time.

What if we changed it to not hurt buildings, but kill stormtroopers? That sounds fair.

DEAL!!!

This is pretty bullshit, its like unlimited building v1 prec strike, but w/o warning. And a pak shot doesnt kill a glider on its own.

How about a min pop cap?  So that if a 'glider' unit has less than say 6 pop (or whatever) - it comes on field as non-glider?

that works perfectly actually

Price nerf ftw!

come on guy jadewolf finaly found a way to kill units and you guys want to nerf it

2 jeeps for an HMG... Alright, balanced.

I am an bad player and they all know them.

 When I discover that I can throw gliders against houses full Germans' they put to cry and to complain.

I lose 1 of every 7 games i played and all axis want to play with me ... why?

 And now u want to modify that if this or the different thing. (min pop cap?????... it s absurd!!)

 So start modifying things like why some axis troops throw 5 grenades (about 6 kg of nades for squad) or why is impossible to locate the storms-ninja-units or why a firefly cant kill a single squad of infantry. To think in since can be more balanced the game instead of spoiling it more.

 I believe that the concept of game gets lost in every improvement, the allies included units better than the Germans from 1944 like that the English commands changed the Tetratark into Churchils thrown in gliders...or the training was better in usa than german. The british artillery was the more precise in the WWII (Because the British army was using the navy as base for the school of artillery, They were boasting of not doing fire friend) but in the game british offmap artillery and brithish 25 pounds is a shit...

 I'm not saying I understand 99% of what Jade just wrote, but I do agree with him: let gliders do damage to buildings.

 Like Evil said, he came up with a pretty lols way of killing units. Let him have it!

 -Wind

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Keep it I think it is funny and I don't really have a problem with it. It is part of jade's playstyle don't destroy that for him.

So you're saying because one not very good player uses it in his playstyle we should keep it, just because that one player would feel bad?

How would you feel if somebody good was abusing this? Such as me or Dave? This is the reason why we balance against what the good players can do with something - not what the bad-average players can.


All of these things are intended. Commando jeeps being used to bin-laden houses isn't.
Assault - a 50 munitions single use upgrade. Considering FOO is 140 munitions and infinite use - I'd say you're having it good as far as heavy-firepower abilities go.

Stormtroopers - yet again, intended. Have had cloak for literally ages - and pay the price for having it. Learn to counter them.

Firefly - being one of the best anti-tank tanks in the game, it's entirely feasible to assume it will not be very good at anti-infantry(especially considering it's rather low cost). It's intended that it sucks vs infantry.

Realism arguments are also absolutely useless in any balance discussion.

It's vcoh for gliders to rape buildings. The solution should ideally be controlling the frequency of it happening, and the cost-effectiveness of it.

Putting it up to 6+ pop already constitutes a cost-effectiveness rape of it, assuming the glider dies.

"Putting it up to 6+ pop already constitutes a cost-effectiveness rape of it, assuming the glider dies."


Well Flak88 can also get killed...

Edit: what do you mean duck?

Let jadewolf keep his invention.
We need creative people.
EiR is a product of creative.

I agree with smokaz. If the glider is 6+ pop you need two jeeps, which is quite fair if they manage to kill the HMG42(dieing themselves).

1 Jeep doing that is just gay, however.

i think that on the exact tiny spot the entrance of the glider stops everything dies.
and because of eir's fail way of dropping gliders instead of vcohs system that did work you can now exactly say where the entrance of the glider will be. and it will kill the flak 88.
(i think)

No, in EiRR gliders can not kill any units in the open.

What DuckOrDie meant is that any unit can be killed, regardless if it's OP or not - but that it's not indicative towards the unit being balanced.

I believe that we are speaking about several things

 First. Almost providing that I use a glider against a house I assume that I lose the glider and what it is inside

 I come second. I believe that the values of the units estan balanced enough, with some exception

 Third party. To fake the suicide of my units only depends of my, I do not believe that it is so important

1. Which is usually actually not the case at all.

2. 110 MP 10 FU killing 270 MP 40 MU is NOT balanced - even if the glider is killed and the jeep can not be spawned.

3. So you're saying because you get to decide what and where dies it's balanced? Doubt it.

Hey...
They have vehicle pools.
So jadewolf can only have 10 jeeps.
And the infinite support pools can support up to 20 mgs.

Irrelevant - 20 MGs would utterly destroy a companie's capabilities to do ANYTHING other than fight infantry.
Having 10 jeeps, on the other hand - is barely noticeable to company composition.

A player doing this actually cripples your team if he spams this, as you end up with a huge callin delay

I believe call-in timers are per player.

They are,

yea they are, but not having an ally on field for 40+ seconds because of the tali-jeeps sucks

its kind of his choice to emulate bin laden, you should suggest a alternative course of action if you feel it lowers the overall ability of the team to win xD

Dunno, it seems completely worth it if you get a bunch of dirt-cheap anti-building offmaps. Especially if the player is thoughtful enough to plan his call ins.

We'll probably disable users from using solo jeep glider 'call-ins' in the future.
(Will need to talk to EIRRmod on how to do this, already have some ideas)

If you want to throw a 6+ pop glider call-in into a building though, that's fine.