COH: Europe In Ruins

M36 Jackson cannot repair on the move if you have OBM.

Unsure if you can use a second repair as erm... The incident had the Jackson go boom.

Also, It's penetration seems rather lacklustre against heavy armour... Isn't it supposedly better than the M10 for penetration? Wouldn't mind some weapon stats for it.

Atm the jackson is prolly the most broken of the reward units

Its supposed to be a pershing AP gun

It's essentially a pershing gun with more range and less splash.

Not feeling the more range on it... But then again, it was up against Geschutzwagon's which were ranging and penetrating it rather consistently.

It's supposed to have Stug armour... But how does Stug armour roll out against Axis weaponry? It aint half bad against Allied weaponry but Axis weaponry against it is a bit of a blind patch for me.

I can see the logic in it being the Pershing gun, the whole 90mm gun. The problem is that the Slugger is a TD and the Pershing is notoriously bad against heavy armour for penetration.

Ummm...the Pershing is pretty decent for AP...

It's pretty decent for AP if your against Medium armour or below.

Put a Pershing against a Panther or a Tiger and the outcome will be in question. Put it against anything bigger and the gun wont penetrate enough to do any serious damage.

No it was supposed to be, it doesn't work like it tho. (btw the pershing ap gun, not the standard)

You were there when you saw mine bounce 6 times off the side of a panther.

Nah, Pershing does great vs panther and decent vs Tiger.

Only KT can pose a threat, than again , you don't send a pershing vs kt 1vs1

Pershing does great against a Panther if you have the AP round tree.

Try it with a Vanilla Pershing... You'd be surprised how many rounds like to bounce.

Infact the Pershing feels like it performs better against the Tiger due to the fact the Tiger cant range the Pershing. The penetration rates until the AP round tree is still sucky though.

It has 45 range, just like the M10, hellcat, KT and Jagdpanther. 46 sight range(very useful for kiting).

The penetration vs the Tiger is 0.5, which speaks for itself : it's pretty damn good.

It is NOT a HVAP pershing gun.

0.5 Being good is a matter of opinion.

Thats a solid 50/50 chance to penetrate the front of a Tiger... Something I felt the normal M10 had anyway.

It's pretty crappy indeed.

However, unlike the M10 it does 165 damage, and can reliably hit infantry..

It's also 60 percent better than the M10 at penetrating panthers (0.65 compared to 0.4 in the M10's case).

Reliably hitting infantry is open to debate, I'd say It's prone to sniping off the occasional one.

Also, the M10 as of late has done a shocking amount of run and gun infantry sniping without use of It's treads.

The M10 is also more durable than the M36 from what I've seen - The M36 might have Stug armour but It's health Isn't all that cop.

At the moment the tank just feels like a flavoured M10 - It should, in my opinion, be a costlier but better overall tank than the M10. This should be especially pronounced due to the fact that the M36 is literally an M10 but with a 90mm and a better quality turret and more armour.

60 percent accuracy vs infantry. Quite significantly better than the M10's 35 percent accuracy.


The M10 has 400 health, the M36 has 450 health. Even ignoring StuG Armour as oposed to M10 Armour - the M36 is more durable.


Which it is. Don't create issues where there aren't any.

if the m36 gets more armor and keeps the m10's fast rotating turret it becomes way too strong, so you will need to reduce speed on it.
but then you have created a pershing, so that doesnt make sense. give it pershing HVAP gun with m10 accuracy. no armor change, maybe a bit slower speed/turret speed.

I also have a question for the devs:

I noticed the M36 still has the 0.8 windup the M10 used to use. doesnt this make the m36 missfire?

Sigh. What I've said here are from observations - I do not happen to have the RGD's committed to memory. This is why I raised the observations to have them checked.

I did not raise my observations to be told not to create an issue where one is not present, nor did I ask for the attitude in an otherwise decent discussion.

The last piece was purely my opinion of what the tank should be. Responding to it the way you did was a little bit harsh. The actual points that I wanted covered were covered, so I threw my opinion in at the end to wrap it up.

Neither do I. Corsix Mod Studio is free to download and easy to use to look up stats, however.


I am rather impertinent with stupid observations that have zero grounding towards them, especially when the stats are available to everyone in the "reward units" subforum that tymathee took the time and effort to make. Do excuse me for that.


If you just wanted to know the stats, you could of just asked, rather than yet another of the "I WANT THIS TO BE THIS AND THAT" posts we've been seeing literally quadrilions of lately.

That subforum you speak of does not extensively cover each unit in the depth that I asked about, or rather, it didn't at the time of me creating this thread. Perhaps it does now, I shall check at some point.

That was not a "I WANT THIS TO BE THIS AND THAT" It was a "In my opinion, it should be..." There's a fine difference between begging for something to be so and expressing your thoughts on a matter. Clearly you didn't do as you preach - Read carefully enough.

Also, my request for information on the stats had nothing to do with my opinion, the two were kept separate - You are twisting my wording there.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE

Does it still take double damage from all the Axis handheld AT weapons?

...http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=17044.0

i made that post for a reason geez.

Tym, you left out what gun the M36 uses, which is what lead to me asking a bolt load of questions here.

Penetration by itself is of no use, it needs a context to be helpful.

bump. does it misfire?

Not that I noticed from my use with it, but it took me a while to notice the Achilles also.

if the Jackson and Achilles use the old relic M10 data then "yes" they both misfire

i know that, but i left the base stats that everyone were asking questions about.

yes

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Um, the fuck?

Gotta be the idea of an allied tank taking 2x damage from axis at