COH: Europe In Ruins

The moving P4 Infantry support tank is mildly useless but when used together with the IST They rape.
i am not saying that you guys should remove the ability but at least make it immobile so it cant hunt down troops who are running away while still have full (almost 100%) accuracy.

IST + IST is rape?

yes. suprised? they are 20 pop and expensive.

bring some atgs or a tank to counter.

tryed and failed due to anti tank spam

thats half of a players popcap in tanks? why not get 20 pop worth of ATG's? that would probably win :D

button + piat? rrs can kite & fireup, or you just bring more than one atg.


what he said. beat spam with spam. (or OP lancaster bombs ;))

So you HAVE to spam to beat it  :-\

well yeah, but you are allowed to spam the counter for his spam. resulting in big losses for him and not for u.

Can someone translate the OP for me? As far as I can gather he's arguing that ISTs suck unless you have 2? Yeah... I'm probably wrong but I honestly don't follow

the IST, thats what i am talking about.

yep......... 4 pershings is OP....... 6 ranger blob is OP.........   ::)

why would anyone blob 6 rangers?

You question 6 ranger blob but not 4 pershings?

haha woah your weird. did some games yesterday.. my IST were getting 20+ infantry kills and seen some of my team mates IST rack up 35+ infantry kills... your just not supporting and using them correctly.

EDIT: and im just using 1 IST at a time.. without lockdown and move

Ohhh he's saying the moving lockdown ability is OP. Well yeah pretty much, ISTs rape face even without that ability.

but i dont want to have to spam to win ive bin trying 15 m8s latley and its easy to win just there never close or intersting

Than why do you do it?

to see if its fun what im saying is having to spam to win sucks for ppl like me who imho dont like spam

and all of my rangers and atguns that you P4s managed  kill in 1 shot and i am not using them correctly?


i did every strategy that i could think of and the only thing i was able to kill was you inf due to you p4s just rushed my units ,even though my at gun had armor piercing on you still manege to kill it in less than 4 shots and in that i mean the crew.

When you see IST go m10 and ATG rest Anti infantry.

EDIT: you've also confused.. now you say your on the other side of the spectrum.. that 1 IST rapes now and that you are being used agaisnt it.. i thought you were the one using it

i did...


your P4 shot my atgun crew to hell and my rangers too and my m10s did not get it any easyer, my m10s allways got the engine damaged by the ist and then you just rushed the m10 with anti tank inf

Rangers with zooks *without tank reapers* are light vehicle counters and flankers, not counters to medium tanks.

well that's quite obvious.

what smokaz said.. but i see a problem..

im not gonna bother anything else cuz this is turning into bias defence. plainly see now when you see IST give your m10 damaged engine and somehow IST 1 shot your ATG crew.. a rushing IST at m10+ATG will die horribly.. but somehow you made a scenario that it looses.. i rest my case

my original case was THAT the IP4 should not get to MOVE while the IST is active.
that was the original thing.

and i was trying to explane the tactic i used


but still the INf support tank is shit against m10s

and why do you say that?

that i should not get to move?


well its really annoying when someone has ist active and followes you units while fleeing, yet while driving it allmost allways hits the units.

so its really annoying = nerf...

the accuracy of the IST is so bad that it would be a double nerf

its already pretty poor at fighting while moving, the ability makes it seem better than it actually is just because of the sheer output of shells

i am not saying it should be Nerf ed beyond uselessness, i am just saying it should eater get really slowed down or immobilized

i dont thing you have played against an P4 inf support tank while the IST is active.

well you probably have so due to you have played this more than me.

Basic play principles apply to this tank as well. Turret rotation is a huge weakness for it.

You have to get it through doctrine spilarinn. as smokaz said its a double edged sword. remember it still acts as a lockdown IST with the short range and slow moving. Its good.. its fun and if you use it yourself you will realise its a fun and good unit ot have but also very much beatable.

IST is active ?
Infantry Support Tank is active ?

the moving IST lockdown isnt to much of a problem
Spacing is key, blobbing your units = death
2 atg's spread about 10 units apart and staggered is a sound strat
a Bren MMG + some form of AT is also a great counter

i dont think their is anything wrong with IST lockdown, unless it gets heat rounds too

I too used to think IST lockdown and move was a bit OP but then i l2p somewhat.  Spotting for your atg is key, axis players will usually back away once they take ATG hits from a range they can't fire back at.  If the IST's are one-shotting your atg crews possibly they're already injured and you're setting them up in a fashion that allows the IST to get close without taking hits?  Either way, ATG plus jeep should counter an IST, adding an M10 to the mix should counter two if you're using them right.

This needs to be quoted for 90% of OP 'threads' nowdays.

IST with moving lockdown, incindiary shot with 50mm atht backup beat everything!!
Its so anoying....

sure,,,,, do you know what you just said requires 3  t3 ?

u mean 2 t3

You could just use an M10 or a Sherman or a pair of 57mm, which are all guaranteed to kill both the 50mm support and the PzIV unless you do something horribly, horribly wrong. Stop trying to counter the PzIV with the only thing it can kill.

IST should be able to shoot down recon runs tbh
 it needs a buff :P maybe like a LW buff for 1 min

funny eh....I still think making your tank imobile, for whatever reason...is a horrible idea :s

no it's not...depending on situation,it can be very effective ;)

It can kill an m10 using lock down. And untill you see an ist go to work on AB distracted by a tiger or other suck jucy target...

It can kill also without lock down. ,  lockdown does not buff dmg or pen.
From front m10 bounces ist shells, you have to get it from behind. Just turn around your m10 so it faces front.

It might not change pen but the rate of fire increase is so big it means it can actually kill an M10 before it gets raped. On the rear armour, of course.

It can kill a cromwell too (but not a sherman) ((from the rear))

I tested on a Sherman earlier, IIRC the PzIV won vs rear armour while locked down. Maybe remembering the results of it wrong though.

Turned out, that a PzIV not in lockdown will still win against an M10's rear armour, although it's close so doctrine abilities like +25% health will tip it in the M10's favour.