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Title: Stummel
Post by: nugnugx on March 12, 2011, 08:29:39 am
imo current balancing of stummel is pretty good , but like stuh , it has non movable turret and even the gun has no firing arc so you have to turn whole puma, maybe make it movable ?  Pumas die pretty fast  and you have to stand with it and shoot and it's a big disadvantage to its survivability.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: Mgallun74 on March 12, 2011, 08:34:22 am
Stummel?

234/3 or 251/9???


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: nugnugx on March 12, 2011, 08:34:34 am
Stummel?

234/3 or 251/9???

what?


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 12, 2011, 08:36:03 am
234/3

even though it says that it is suppose to be the 251/9 but i guess they changed it.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AquUClJzK2OBdFM3V0dsQmkxanJ5eWlGTHNKa2ZZbGc&authkey=CIvj4J8D&hl=en#gid=0


(http://images.medpackstudios.com/FE/units/sdkfz234_3.jpg)


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: Mgallun74 on March 12, 2011, 08:43:56 am
234/3

even though it says that it is suppose to be the 251/9 but i guess they changed it.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AquUClJzK2OBdFM3V0dsQmkxanJ5eWlGTHNKa2ZZbGc&authkey=CIvj4J8D&hl=en#gid=0


(http://images.medpackstudios.com/FE/units/sdkfz234_3.jpg)

or its just a complete mis-model... does this thing fire STuh shells? if so thats insane since, neither of those vehicles had the Stugs 105mm gun.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: nugnugx on March 12, 2011, 08:45:34 am
does this thing fire STuh shells? if so thats insane since, neither of those vehicles had the Stugs 105mm gun.

no, it fires the same shell as leig i think, it does not make stuhs damage, its weaker.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: Mgallun74 on March 12, 2011, 08:46:18 am
no, it fires the same shell as leig i think, it does not make stuhs damage, its weaker.

i c.. i figured it would or should shoot the same as a IST...


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 12, 2011, 08:47:02 am
That would be awesome.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: nugnugx on March 12, 2011, 08:48:52 am
uh the damage is ok , nothing wrong with it.  I was telling about the non movable turret in first post.

I was using it and noticed the worst thing is that you have to stand and shoot with a puma, the range is also closer so you have to move up , risking a sticky.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: Mgallun74 on March 12, 2011, 08:50:13 am
uh the damage is ok , nothing wrong with it.  I was telling about the non movable turret in first post.

I was using it and noticed the worst thing is that you have to stand and shoot with a puma.

well, probably because it never had a turrent... it was just a stationary gun.. so the entire vehicle did have to move.. kinda like the TDs the germans had.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: nugnugx on March 12, 2011, 08:51:56 am
don't bring reality arguments into coh and eir. it has been said 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000 times.

balancing is for gameplay and not reality.


in reality tanks did not fight shooting from 1 meter , soldiers did not throw wave of grenades one after another chasing other soldiers across the battlefield ,  artilery was not standing 50 meters behind front line to fire on its target.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: Mgallun74 on March 12, 2011, 08:56:04 am
don't bring reality arguments into coh and eir. it has been said 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000 times.

ya, but comon, we dont need to start just creating totally fake units now do we?



Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: nugnugx on March 12, 2011, 08:57:48 am
ya, but comon, we dont need to start just creating totally fake units now do we?



whole coh is fake , like someone said  everything could be replaced with pink unicorns vs care bears and we would have the same game.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: Mgallun74 on March 12, 2011, 09:01:36 am
whole coh is fake , like someone said  everything could be replaced with pink unicorns vs care bears and we would have the same game.

i suppose, if your into that kinda stuff.. have fun man.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 12, 2011, 09:12:53 am
When i used this unit a week and a half ago, It was utter shit. I sat two of them firing at some commandoes and they didnt hit shit, and the fact it has no turret contradicts the point of being a light vehicle.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: RoyalHants on March 12, 2011, 09:33:27 am
Its a GMC but with puma armour afaik (correct if wrong) cheap and dispensible


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: brn4meplz on March 12, 2011, 10:29:34 am
We've got the 251/9 model in there. It was supposed to have a squad capacity as well as the gun.

We can look into a slight arc of firing or a aimtime reduction if it's too terrible to shoot(like old StuG)


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: nugnugx on March 12, 2011, 11:07:50 am

We can look into a slight arc of firing or a aimtime reduction if it's too terrible to shoot(like old StuG)

arc of firing + aimtime would be good,  what's the aim time right now?   cause it takes some time before he fires the round.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: Tymathee on March 12, 2011, 12:24:46 pm
the 75mm gmc has the same type of gun pretty much. no turret, you gotta rotate to fire. just l2p with it, it's a new unit, it takes time.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: chefarzt on March 12, 2011, 12:46:12 pm
WEll when i tried it with sparks quite a few days ago it took like 3 shots to put a rifle squad to  low health and i think the 4th shot  obliterated it. BUT. I didnt move the rifles and had no at on. So basicly i found the unit quite useless. But maybe he changed it.


Title: Re: Stummel
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 12, 2011, 01:43:58 pm
the 75mm gmc has the same type of gun pretty much. no turret, you gotta rotate to fire. just l2p with it, it's a new unit, it takes time.

Yeah same type of gun worse qualities. I am getting hurt from the GMC, the strummel on the other hand when I used it, It missed every single shot fired. It was terrible.