COH: Europe In Ruins

just look at it...

i have the only panther in the leaderboard! i think panther needs buff...

edit: if u think the means tiger is OP then that means no1 knows how to deal with them.... 57's with AP rounds anyone?
if anything looking at the US leaderboard shows how effective most US units are compared to most Wher units.

Tym is trying to use the leaderboard to prove that the Wehrmacht is OP.

And he still denies he's a fanboy...

tym when will you stop? i'm fed up

Panzer no one fields a tiger without at least one precision strike. Then it takes a while to get a new atg to re-enforce, meanwhile tiger gets 30+ kills and runs off before your atg is in place

I have 5 atgs. If there's one blitz player, he can neutralize 2 of them with precision strike (provided I don't move them at all). Of course.. I still have a fuckin' zerg SWARM of rifles to recrew as necessary.

my point also why tigers have such high xp...allies keep swarming with rifle spam or ranger spam or some spam... and for tiger they are pretty easy targets so for sure they are going to get 30 +inf kills if the do well.

i have about 5 atg in my brits and 4 in my US but i also have RR's which used in combined arms is effective at neutralizing tiger.

All it proves is that the only Axis units that can survive to keep XP are those that are extremely durable.

Meaning the Allies are probably OP.

i just wanted to point it out, if i had a point to madei I'd have made it, love how you trolls just made your own  hypothesis, i just thought it was funny. Someone should make a spoof of the badger song

tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger
Koe-nig, Koe-nig

tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger
Koe-nig, Koe-nig

tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger
Koe-nig, Koe-nig

tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger
A big ol' panther - panther, panther oh the panther. ooohhhhh

You aren't fooling anybody, Tym.

yer tym that was a fail flame bait. we know you to well.

They see Tym baitin'

and failin'

all repliers to the thread other than me and spartan are axis fan boys, i just trolled you all.

Spartan aint a fan boy

^ +1

Once again we find ourselves witnessing another one of Tyms failed logical premise.

Witness how the fanboy is mocked and tries to turn it around by claiming he was the troller all along.

Truly a fascinating creature.

If more people played Airborne, half of those tanks wouldn't be there =p

Dude, ssshhhhhhut up.

G43 slow spam FTW
if you come close to my tanks i will kill you.

depends ofcourse if i can even micro in the fucking map we are playing in this hypothetical situation.

This is true, US have been lacking real hand-held AT that is necessary to support AT guns, RRs with hit & run tactics are ideal to take down slow moving Tigers, something a Bazooka or AT rifle can't handle or even penetrate. Which is why I think that Airborne should be higher priority to implement than for example Terror. They play a big role in balance and are essential for gameplay, yet they are the last doctrine to get implemented.

You do realize that if you get unlucky with your hit and run the Tiger will pretty much slaughter a man or two every time your blob runs about? Besides, Bazookas aren't frontal assault tool, they are from the flank and rear to get the rear hit. Guarantee penetration and love. AT rifles you can dream on it.

Airborne- once you get implemented the meta game will change to ostwind and otherwise assault infantry armies rather than heavy tanks.

Realistically, you don't want to go chasing Tigers with AB....

It usually ends up with you losing more than the Tiger player, even if you force the tank off.

Who said anything about chase? a few m10s, AT guns with AP and RRs attacking at the same time and that Tiger is toast. Hit and run doesn't involve chasing, you fire the RRs, run away without taking any damage, how is that more cost some? Clearly you have not seen airborne in the hands of a skilled player.

AB range = 35...Tiger range = 40


The AB dont even factor in if its already fighting M10's + 57mm AP round atgs. A few M10's, lets assume 2-3, already kill a Tiger. Add in ATGs and its easy.

2 ATGs with AP rounds beat a Tiger, add in an M10 to chase and its dead.

Yes, but Airborne are more mobile than AT guns and survive longer than m10s. Combined arms is always nice, anyways the main point was that you can fire off RRs then run back without taking any damage. Tiger has slightly longer range but Airborne are still much faster so they can fire off and get back before the Tiger has time to reload and if that's not enough you can always use a decoy like a bike or fire up to help out. The Tiger is usually more focused on the m10s/ATGs giving you time to fire off several damaging shots.

But if you only have one ATG and the Tiger flanks it then you have nothing. It's hard to maintain 2 ATGs and your best alternative for hand-held AT are stickies, bazookas or AT rifles and none of them perform well against a Tiger.

airborne need a range buff to combat allied heavy tanks, relic was stupid to only have it at 35 range.

b4 u trolls go off, this is the same argument pe players had for the ist getting a range buff in doc abilities. IF you think a range buff on rr's would break the game, its the same argument for the ist.

when you see tiger on field it's rly not that hard to call another AT gun,now is it...

smurf, it obviously is or there would be a lot more dead tigers out there and not filling up the leaderboard.

You can field two ATGs and that's also what most players do, but it's hard to keep them both alive and if you get overrun you'll lose a lot of your AT capacity. They are also quite slow so they can't follow the Tiger around much or get many AP shots at it. So it's a risky move and mostly a defensive option, you're not gonna kill Tigers with them, just maybe get a few shots at them.

Tym after posting this ------->


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I remember when we had Airborne Elite with 41 range RRs. It was lulz

no one said that you will kill one,but you will keep him at bay  ::)

yeah, keep him at bay until it gets precision striked, off maped, killed by storms, assault, or a nebel.

Or the Tiger kills it, i've had a tiger go toe to toe with 2 atgs and kill them both 1 by 1 and didn't even lose half its health.

Or, check this out, if you want to kill a Tiger and are worried about it chasing your ATGs, use a fucking Rifle sticky or Bren squad....

Holy shit! 2 ATGs + Rifle/Bren = 15 pop!!! LESS THAN TIGER.

On top of this, you can field a secondary sticky/bren, or whatever you want to counter the Tiger's support!

Then, if he sets up his ATGs to support the Tiger vs your M10/FF you can use your offmaps to kill them!

lol, airborne wont balance the meta-game, it has always changed it and turned it on its head. Airborne are to hard to balance.

and u dont think i did this? it raped the rifle squad and moved in on the atgs. it's just two shots to take out a rifle squad 3 at the most. Bren is better than stickying anyway as the stickies range is so ridiculously short  all you do is back the tiger away while it kites you while you waste your stickies double pumping

You don;t initiate the sticky toss until you can hug Tiger nuts.

if he's backing away it keeps him in the ATG arc.

Now if he uses terrain properly then that's superior tactical acumen. but in an Open field fight the ATG's win

Seriously....if you were fighting it with a sticky squad in the open....

I have no words...

IF the TIGER is BACKING away then your 60 RANGE ATGs should be having a field day.

THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE STICKY IS AS A DETERRENT. If the Tiger is backing off and taking hits you are winning.

Just like fighting a Pershing, use ATGs and a tank crippler to keep it away....oh wait, Axis don't have a crippler....hmmm....

PERSHING IS OP!!!

Allies need their OP gimmicks like 1 shot avre , always hitting and penetrating RRs and eng dmg on stickie ;)

That's why real men play axis and  not loljumbo. Allies are for mentaly impaired and kids.

Hi! I comment on this. Does that mean I'm an Axis fan boy too?

AVRE's are easy enough to deal with

And if they do get off a shot, you got plenty of time to scatter.

Stickies and ATGs make up the backbone of my Armor companies AT. Every vet 2/3 squad I have has stickies so I can make use of the epic range. Those stickies are backed up by a BAR squad and usually at least one ATG (I trust my allies to keep some on as well). Infantry get suppressed, aggressive tanks get punished. My armor company rarely has trouble with heavies. When it does get beat by Tigers/panthers/KTs/Jagds, it's because those units were used extremely well.  

My 2 cents on RRs: IF they get the range buff Tym seems to think they deserve, then their scatter angle needs to go up to be on par with the shrecks. Right now it's so low that you could set the RR's accuracy to zero and it would still hit 75% of the time.

Stickies are bad...
RR's need a buff...

What crazy, crazy thought will he blurt out next?

I was referring to bombing run axis heavies while they're repairing at spawns, but a debate over the effectiveness of RR's works too :P.

RR's only get slaughtered against Tigers if you're one of those noobs who groups up and micro's two squads together, so the men stand extra close to eachother making Tiger's splash rape. Ideally you don't want to be attacking front on with any kind of handheld, either.

button needs a buff, needs to be instant.
shermans suck, i can't kill tanks with it
my vet 3 rifles keep losing to single vet 0 grens, buff pl0x
my atgs keep losing their ap rounds fix pl0x
17 pounders are trash
rangers die too easily
fire up needs exhaustion taken away
my jumbos can't kill tanks
mine sweepers are OP, they keep finding my mines.

hmm...can't think of anything else, does that do enough for you?

How OP are allies man

very, I keep losing I guess I need to play as Axis because they're more challenging even though I have better win/loss records on my blitz and defensive.

i have a better win/loss with my brits and US than any of my axis accounts.

then they must be OP because panzerman sucks as axis

The sad part is I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

My best win/loss ratio is with my armor company. I like fast moving heavy tanks and I feel I do best with a company centered around those kinds of units. Perhaps those axis doctrines are just more fitting to your playstyle.

i dunno, i tend to not take playing as axis so seriously and have more fun, maybe that's it? tbh, my favorite company is my tank reapers company and airborne and commandoes, i have a thing for anti tank infantry dunno why.

My best win/loss after the shit doctrines were put in was my Armor company aswell.

w00t? I remember that game i played against your blitz (even posted the replay here) where you got completely trashed and ragequit <10min

i actually can't believe that you got positive w/l playing as axis except playing 25pop callin dudes only

especially not with your fail company (P4 instead of tigers)

15-7 as blitz. i have 2 tigers just dont have 'em vetted, they tend to die a lot.  '
6-1 as defensive. my pe is uber fail

rofl no allies is just easy mode... still have good win to loss ration on my axis apart from PE which is about 50/50...

edit: axis have only one easy mode and thats Blitz tigers for some reason...

Come on ppl, you are raging/arguing you should not debate with leader board and now you are bringing up w/l ratio?????

Thats so dumb!!! Imho anyway.

every single one of my more used coys has at leaste a 2:1 average, and most losses i endure is cause i fight with new players or tbh IM NOT JUST GOOD ENOUGH!!

OMG, cant it be so that sometimes we lack the skill??!! Nooo... *shame, i need a shower, get it off..."

Look to be frank, units and how they are used are all up to circumstance and play stile, and again imo ofc, certain abilities that effect the 50/50 chance to increase to 70/30 ratio of u using it to its maximum effect is a indication that the ability is to powerful.

Now, again if we look at the stats argument, what does it tell us? Well at the most it tells us that out of say 10 game and you have won all 10, you can say... jack shit. since all you know is he won those games. Not how he won it, not why or when. There are so many factors that its just no use.

now we can create a hypothesis out of this ofc, if a player has 100-200 games, and won 10, and lost 90, then the PROBABILITY that its due to the player rather than the units will increase or at least become more valid, but it does not change the fact that its just a Probability.

Its the same with the leader board discussion, all u see is units that have been in a battle and gained exp, you cannot tell what kind, or when, where or against who/whom, al you can do is create a hypothesis and PRESUME that either the player is Very skilled or the unit is just to good.

Now its hard to admit that you are not as good as other players, but trust me, it gets easier to get better if you admit to yourself that you are not as good, and see what it is you can do better, do the boring games, the ones you know you are loosing often, and look, i mean REALLY look at whats happening and why, BEFORE you become al angry and upset.

To me the reason i Play EiR is not Because i get to Win or loose, its because i get to play Vs and with people i know, or talk to, the community.

Please for heavens sake, try and dig deep down in you over grown egos and find some love? ^^

PLUS ONEEEEE.

And Panzerman, this picture is the reason why your British W/L is so good  ;D

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Regardless, i'll carry you anywhereeeeee

Tbf, we could all learn a thing or two from what Heartmann has said.

Myself included.

bahaha lol that is true eh i still find it alot easier playing brits lol, but where have u been of late your never in game or vent?

and yeah heartmann is right.

I'm single for the first time in two years, where do you think I've been?  :P

the nearest brothel? bahaha

edit so your just lurking the forums atm lol

yer your all douchebags and im pure.  :D

I think i'll wait until something new happens before playing again. Atm it's just the same old. I'm raping at NBA 2k11 atm so I'm gonna continue doing that :p. KNICKS!

Something new is happening :)

Awww thanks for the love guys ^^

I think a lot of people are going to have a reason to play again very soon.

Why do you devs allways give out minor hints?
its getting quite annoying Tbh but if its good its good so its good with a small side of good then its good and worth it.

I have no clue what you just said.

It was Icelandic language, obviously.

Why you guys no be understanding me bro

I understand , i learned Icelandic.

Takk

Ég skil allt

Það var nú lítið, svo eruð þið að fara að hreynsa alla notenduna þann tíunda?

hvað í fjandanum

Þið hálfvitar verðið að hætta með því að nota google translate.

Enough with the icelandic

Anyone know when deadbolt is online for i want to kill his cromms

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y bother ice you suck.

that will never happen.

-spams gaywagens-

;/D

wagons are for pussys.

hetzer and TB spam FTW!!!

Brit atguns bounce, Ambusing TB kill, hetzer snipes.

Its a gore fest


i allso love when people place atguns on roads, sure they are gonna have to drive trough the choke point but shit your atgun is just gonna die to 2-3 shots by my hetzer.