COH: Europe In Ruins

Who would like to write me an essay on the following?:

“Critically assess the extent to which human rights can be regarded as universal.”
*consider why the UDHR was created – why did the world identify the need for universal human rights?
*how does the protection of right vary throughout the world?  Why do you think it varies?

referring to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights


Special prize for whoever does it ;)

P.S I need it done by 4 hours :/

Human rights:
I haz some

Deadbolt haz none

Universal Human Rights

By Mister Schmidt

Y I HAZ NO HUMAN RIGHTS?

5 years later...

I NOW DECLARE THE UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS, OFFICIAL.

Ohh man, you got yourself a fun topic there.

Of your main points.
Rights are not universal, nor are they necessarily right. The declaration CANNOT be enforced by an international body. Certainly not by one whose muscle is based on the donation of member states.

You could always talk about that fact that it's violated everyday in small ways. Or the fat that the UN always drops the ball every few years in big ways. Cambodia, Libya, Iraq, Rwanda, Balkans, Darfur. Seriously the list is huge. The fact is it's simply fluff. It serves no purpose and local legal traditions/laws take precedence over anything it contains. Even if the UN could enforce it with an iron fist, it's still just fluff and wouldn't matter.

Like alot of things in human history, it's a noble endeavor but not very practical.

Always easy to say when your living in Canada's repressive regime

lets face it people who were under regimes felt that the Decleration was necessary, they were most likely right

But then again you could listen to brn with his free health care, social assistance, a mostly good police force, no conscription etc.

Seriously Schmidt, consider doing your homework on time in the future.

There are no universal rights. I would say this. The world owesn you nothing, your privaleges are defended by your own hand, our your nation.

I held a presentation on Torture some weeks ago, you should consider this one of the reasons to implement Human Rights, but yeah, they are not universal if nobody really gives a fuck, just check China or the Rumsfeld Memo in the US that allows the president to order his men to torture anyone.

This is how people let shit like Bosnia happen. You can't give a fuck when its happening accross the sea, sooner or later your government may decide that hey, you won't care when its your neighbour, or they may not care when you dissappear.

Go away if you have nothing worthwhile to say please.
Thank you.

How do you guys feel about the idea that EVERYONE should still be privy to every right, even those who have forsaken their right?

E.G. A prisoner in the UK is currently denied the right to vote, despite it being a right in the Human Rights Act.

Then fly over, buy a gun, and defend sone people. Complaining that your elected officials aren't doing something is stupid. Freed ok m and peace sadly come at ther end of a gun.

My elected officials did do something.

And they also tried to do something during Rwanda but were blocked.

Fuck human rights, free slaves of the sexual variety to all!!!!! Really, some people just need to be included in genocide. For instance people who drive slow in the fast lane, or drive 20 mph slower because of some rain. They just need to die, along with stupid people in general. After this the world would be a much better place, the end. Clap clap hurray and say hello to your new "A" paper if not then your professor should die too.

Thats not genocide, thats Darwinism

Lets be honest, the people who bicker and doubt Human Rights, would be the first ones to be made man bitch or outright killed without it

Only when I'm dead. That is why I'm armed.

Many people love the idea of human rights, vet few are willing to put themselves on the firing line. Even more will complain and groan about bringing troops home even though we are all volunteers.

btw thanks Brn, was very helpful :)

Im not one of those people.

My main point is, most of the people who bicker about human rights and freedom have little to know real idea about what it means to have neither. And whats seen on tv doesn't count

I agree on that.

As for prisoners, I think depending on the level of the crime you wave certain rights. I know a few correctional officers, prisoners live better than our poor in some cases. Its fucked up.

It reminds me of the old pink panther cartoon, where he sees a prisoner eating a nice turkey dinner during winter, so as he is broke and hungry he tries to get himself arrested

I can give you all sort of evidence for whatever you decide to argue in regards to this essay, but can you fix the Karabiner sniper for me?

Is there still time?

Schmidt, get on vent ?

I've done it now, it's not a mega serious essay, just one that had to be done.

And I cannot fix Karabiner because I am not entirely sure what is wrong with it, it's still being looked at.

Such a shame. What did you end up arguing? I guarantee I have some evidence for it.

That Human Rights can never truly be universal because of the very nature of both humans and modern society in both advanced countries and struggling countries, regardless of how ever many countries claim to back it, they all violate it in some way, in order to "protect" the rights of others, and thus a cycle of removing rights from some to protect those of others begins.
In combination with the idea that in general, most people simply do not care enough whether some guy like Robert Mugabe is a total prick because it doesn't effect them.

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F**KIN HELL!

People living under regimes know better then anyone that the UDHR is a load of shit.

universal? so if we find humans on another planet we have to give them the same rights? FUCK THAT SHIT! BLOW THEM THE FUCK UP!, STEAL THERE RESOURCES, ALL YOUR BASE BELONG TO US!

You want a better laugh, break down and examine this famous American fiction. ""Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

Don't forget that all if those also cone at the cost of freedom. Nothing is given and it all has a cost that other people may or may not want to pay.

Someones freedoms are being trampled on no matter what you do.

MUSLIMS!

Those of us who pay attention, no matter how vague the saying, know that this existed at one time, but it's been about a century and is now almost completely gone depending on how you choose to look at it.

No they don't they don't even know they exist, and that is a mind blowing difference.

Alot of countries like that are really at the end of there industrial era, just supplied with modern weaponry. They have yet to go through the uprisings and strife that our countries went through to get to where we are, and people don't even think of that.

I hear to many people say "Fucking (insert vulgar word here) why the fuck cant they get with the civilized world" Then i realized that they probably never cracked a book so shut up. The point is, is that on a social scale they are behind us. And don't give me the corrupt government bullshit, were still better off then we were 50 years ago and 100 years before that.

Unless you want to return to Coal companies enslaving entire generations, and all the fun little things that came with that era

So they follow it just because of conscience?

No, thats being naive, they don't follow it. Quite Simply the Declaration was written predominatly by nations that enjoy more freedoms then most and it was decided by whatever high and mighty principles that those were the rights people should get. It's easy enough to say in a developed country where food and money are rather quite plentiful when compared to the rest of the world.


How do you even begin to impose article 3?

"Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."
The right to life? What is it? No one can kill you? we know that to be false. Or in the event of 2 men dying of thirst adrift at sea, whose right is more unalienable?

The right to Liberty? Liberty isn't a right, it's something that has to be earned. You cannot simply give this to people. Someone will always need to be on the sharp end of the sword to ensure that other people can enjoy this "right"

Security of person? Do I even need to go there?

Thats just the basics.

i still think there are some universal rights and wrongs out there though.

Right and wrong are social and moral issues. Which again are dependant on your upbringing. but just claiming that these "Rights" are law and inviolate is absurd, you can't enforce that anymore than deadbolt can map.

Let me just correct you on a couple of things.

1. Those 'high and mighty' people who wrote that were being persucted across the land by a King who happened to be 'legally' gods represntative on earth. They were privelaged for the time, true in the terms that there families could afford to give them education. Or the ones that the declaration was based on, The French Revolution i mean those people must have been really high on there horses after watching Napoleon the artillery officer unleash grapeshot on very large group of civilian protesters then get rewarded by yet another king. But hey, fuck voting, lets just abandon this foolish idea and let someone like Pinochet be incharge.

2. Why shouldn't liberty be a right, whats wrong with taking a stance against slavery? In the event of 2 men adrift at sea, both of them are probably going to die, so your point isn't only moot, its not much of one. I really think you should learn the deffinition of Unalienable. Pretty much it states that i have no right to take your life or freedoms and end it, or give it to someone else (slavery), or for whatever means stand in your path and prevent you from living.

3. Security of Person, why shouldn't you go there, i mean you clearly have no respect for the quality of life that you are living.

If you really want to keep defending your position, go do some gold mining in south america, if you ever make it back and STILL think this way then good for you.

Which was written in 1948 by the United Nations following the experiences and results of the Second World War.


You seem to think I'm saying everyone should be crushed under heel and whipped harder for slacking in the Silver Mines.
Which is the complete opposite. I think the attempt to set down human rights for everyone is a noble goal. Infact I like to believe it, but thats not reality, and thinking otherwise will only result in the harm of others.

Taking a stance against Slavery is PERFECTLY fine. I'm all for that but you cannot force Liberty as a right. In a democracy you have the RIGHT to vote at age X. where as Driving is a privilege. Simply saying something is a RIGHT does not make it inviolate. The fact that this document cannot be enforced across the globe and is infact violated in small ways by it's signing members makes it simply a ideal to be attempted rather than followed to the letter.

Right to Life: The basis for law making unsanctioned killing illegal. More of a privilege.

Security of Person: This is your own responsibility. No body elses. Either enforce it for yourself or it doesn't exist.

Liberty: This is not a "right", it is earned, usually by the blood and sweat of people that are willing to stand up and do something, not by people who insist that they should be free because it is written on a piece of paper.

Again, your "rights" exist only as far as you are personally willing to defend them, otherwise they are privileges allowed to you by others. Privileges can be taken away.

You can argue about ideals all day, in the end they are meaningless. The only thing that matters is what you are willing to do for yourself, and what others are willing to do to you.

This could be fun.

What exactly is a universal truth?

This is why we can't have nice things.

Nothing, as there is no universe, only my mind. You are all really just a part of me, there is nothing but me.

Yes, sparta is right
only i have the real consciousness of a human being and you are all just a part of my imagination  ;)

explains all the retards and assholes out there in the world then

Yea i made everyone into a copy of me.

I <3 solipsism.

Drove all of my english teachers crazy.

But they don't exist.

So who cares.

Schmidt, you may be better at CoH then I am, but at least I can brag about a 98.9 average.

A: best letter ever.

L2homework.

Anyone who thinks grades are an accurate indicator of intelligence learned nothing in school.

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Bad grades!

No, I learned to game the system as much as anyone. I was quite high in my class.

This is true, but then again, grades are not supposed to be interpreted as an indicator of your intelligence in the first place. They're only an indicator of how well you can study and work for something.

Exactly.  8)

Grades are an indicator of nothing but how well you can relay the information required of you on the test at the given period of time. It is not a good measure of intelligence, it is not a good measure of understanding and it is not even a good measure of knowledge - because the majority of people forget everything they've needed to know for a test within a fortnight (and lets of course not forget the wide-spread use of crib-notes).

Extended essay grades can be perceived as something that's testament to your actual ability to dedicate yourself and work for something... yet you're not exactly going to right a 5 page epic on 2+2, are you(unless you're me)?

Actually, they're really only a good indicator of your ability to make good grades, but even that is context dependent.


As is developing skill in a game.