COH: Europe In Ruins

http://www.dagbladet.no/

holy shit

gg.

::)

Holy fuck that was a big explosion, and they think there are still 2 more bombs? Yikes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-blast-idUSTRE76L2VI20110722?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=71

Luckily they didn’t get our favorite Norwegian asshole…

My condolences to Oslo – On the other hand there is only two people dead. This is like a minor car accident. Who is this supposed to terrorize???

Bombings are not to kill a lot of people most of the time but the main goal is to scare the people of the area into submission(even tough it don't work for shit and just help the course of the opposite party)

I have no idea, we were talking about the luck that Oslo got the terribad bomber.

yeah, i think theyre getting these kind of terrorists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9-QQdGPMeY

More people are dead, its being reported continually. Persons are lying dead inside the government quarter but they are still doing bomb searches so they are not retrieving them

y u no help their cause smokaz?

goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Unfortunately people don't need to die to feel afraid. Making people afraid of their routine is all these people want to achieve.

They are really just gathering hate and more hate for themselves.


I bet you if the SHTF then everyone who looks middle eastern or is islamic will get kickedout/killed in most western countries, regardless if they are extremist or not.

I returned around 18 pm after a walk around the areas, although the main site has been blocked off. (Explosion was reported in 15.26) Ambulances, police cars and civilian authority cars were driving with sirens on everywhere still.

I doubt many will disagree if I say that Norway and Norwegians generally have considered themselves very safe, remote and neutral enough to avoid attacks like these. Those thoughts are coming to an abrupt end most likely.

Already people are going crazy on facebook and Twitter etc, and of course there's the vocal minority calling for stricter immigration policy and people shouting on muslims in the street.

Yeah, Canada's in the same boat. There are people here are naive enough to think that we won't be the target of attacks. Which is complete bullshit. Try as you might there is no way to maintain the level of personal freedoms western nations enjoy and have security at a 100% impenetrable level.

Well good thing we didn't lose the Smokaz at least. Hope you're friends/family are ok.

I live 5 minutes away on foot - but I have a ingenious type of insurance vs terrorist attacks.

There's a mosque/islam community house 10 metres from my apartment. Last time I checked terrorists don't bomb those kind of buildings.

This is horrible though. I hope as few people as possible lost their lives.

Smokaz:Who needs to invade places and kill terrorists just make evryone's house into a mosque
Terrorist:....
Smokaz u mad bro?

So that means muslims will go home to muslim land ?

There's no legitimate information as to the source of the attack, nobody has claimed responsibility

i see your still alive smokaz, my plan failed. i shall prevail next time though............

You're implying all terrorists are necessarily muslim?  ::)

It was so totally Greenpeace demanding zoophillia become a criminal offence in Norway.

It may be the Whale fuckers that blew the place up but if that is so Sea Shepard is Fucked(witch is good becouse those people are retarded)

Well you guys did participate in the Afghanistan & Iraq war, which doesn't make you all that much of an 'absurd' target if it was in fact Al Qaeda.  

Also
I loled at Iceland's participation in the Iraq war. (Should only send 1 troop next time, just to troll USA)

the people of iceland are so pacifist as fuck that even the drunks dont want to get in a fight.

Thats the exact opposite of Newfies. Fights and getting arrested is a right of passage in Eastern Canada

That's because Canada is the brutal and barbaric northern province of the USA...aka, our hat.

At least they don't go around invading other countries


(yet)

Yea, god forbid anyone actually do anything  ::)

No, I'm saying terrorists don't seem to favor mosques as their targets currently

Challenge accepted!

Canada is America's fine, fine hat...




wheras Mexico is America's fine, fine g-string.

scaring people into submission? LMAO

That's kind of the idea, they don't call them terrorists for nothing, you know. The theory is if you have successfully demoralized the population enough, they may eventually reach a point where they believe resistance is futile, and capitulate.

They call them terrorists because it produces a negative impression towards them, it's more shocking than just "enemy".

At any rate the leading theory is that it was the one psycho who did it on his own, what a total nutjob. He was even white and pasty. They caught him but any hints to his motivations, mental health or if he had helpers is still not released or known.

That is more the modern sort of "buzzword" version of the word. The original meaning is someone who spreads fear (AKA terror) for their own purposes. Nowadays though, you have terrorist used in the manner you described.

That theory is bogus, it will never work. The more the terrorists attack, the more enraged the population will become, inciting the government to wtf pwn middle eastern countrys.

I reckon America should just bomb half of middle east and tell the terrorists, "do it again and the other half goes kthxbye".

in 2 weeks i start my university unit on terrorism anyways so i will have better knowledge in a couple of months time teehee

Yeah the theory is a pipe dream.

All parties involved in World War 2 tried Terror bombing and it had the exact opposite effect they were hoping for.

Well except for two very famous drops!

It's all in how you define terrorism and who's doing it.

we are talking about terrorist cells here smokaz, not whole countries.

one thing, countries have to much ego to let organised terrorism of islamic extremists force them to 'submit'

That's the idea behind TERROR BOMBING, not TERRORISM.

Al Qaeda's goal is not to make the West 'capitulate' lol, they're not stupid.

japs had a lot of ego too. but the sheer scope of annihilation they faced..

They just didn't go big enough. Nukes settled Japan pretty fast.

FU Smokaz, beat me to it

japs civilians didnt want to war, its the government that went to war.

and all civilians are always in support of their government, at all times, cause if they aren't giving their informed support (  ::) ) the government must halt all effort, correct?

fail logic is fail lol..... yeah... and all civilians from germany didn't want to go to war either (deceived or not).

As I recall, lots of Americans hated going to war as well.

Going to war with a country over a terrorist attack is RETARDED. But the afghan war was just a cover up for neoconservative foreign policy ambitions anyway.

I was just trying to make a point that it's generally hard to get a populace to accept a war in the first place. That's especially difficult in liberal Western countries.

I'm sure wind could pitch in here with one of his lengthy rants, but historically it seems to me that getting a country to sue for peace is way harder than having a country go to war.

Ending WW2? Had to capture almost all territory, eliminate political leadership, nuke japan.

Afghanistan, Gadaffi, Iraq, Israel.

Doesn't seem to be a roof for how high the bodies can be stacked or how small of a admission can motivate nations for conflict.

This is the captured suspect:

(http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2011/07/23/1311378457373_34.jpg)

He's described as politically right wing, and a 3rd grade Free mason. He has apparently said himself that he's a nationalist and that he is against the islamification of the world. Great job there, killing a bunch of innocent teens. I'm sure that'll help spark meaningful debate! 

lmao

Total dead found are now 90 ~

From ten and up, the other 80 will be people between 14-20ish

Shot with a automatic rifle

Fuck.

And this man did a shooting too apparently, dressed as a police officer.

*Graphic Pictures*
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be3_1311366340
*Graphic Pictures*

Another ignorant fuck. I wish they still included castration ect. in todays punishment.

Its the same guy. He apparently planted the bomb killing 10 people, and massacred 80 teens at Utøya.

You sure those # arnt switched? 80 people from shooting?

Im pretty sure about the numbers, yeah. He used a handgun, a shotgun and a automatic rifle. He carried several weapons. His willingness for violence is indescribable if this is all to be believed. As far as modern mass murderers go, he's a terrible new page in the history books. Reading about what this guy did makes me all empty inside. It's hard to focus my thoughts on anything.

Its not ignorance, its insanity.... :-X

sadly he will probably live a long time in a very nice prison that treats him better than the majority of people In the world live

This is from CNN:


Are we getting different numbers or something? Either way this is horrible, this guy is a lunatic

Well in the most recent norwegian newscast, those 90 were the severely wounded, not dead. Those are on top of the dead ones. How could one guy shoot down so many people?

Imagine that and a camp full of tents filled with
Ok, i was hoping your numbers were wrong smokaz, but this is shit http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Norway-At-Least-87-Dead-In-Youth-Camp-Shooting-In-Utoya-And-Bomb-Attack-In-Oslo/Article/201107416035907?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_0&lid=ARTICLE_16035907_Norway%3A_At_Least_87_Dead_In_Youth_Camp_Shooting_In_Utoya_And_Bomb_Attack_In_Oslo (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Norway-At-Least-87-Dead-In-Youth-Camp-Shooting-In-Utoya-And-Bomb-Attack-In-Oslo/Article/201107416035907?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_0&lid=ARTICLE_16035907_Norway%3A_At_Least_87_Dead_In_Youth_Camp_Shooting_In_Utoya_And_Bomb_Attack_In_Oslo)

at least 87 dead

Because they tried to run?

You said massacred, when I read that word I imagine killed, atleast this all sounds to be not as bad, but still pretty terrible.

Humans were all born terrorists. imagine the mother of you wiping up the shit from your ass...



apart from deadb0lt, he was born pro

I have no idea what your trying to say.

I cannot understand you either. your grammar makes me unable to understand what you have said.

Clearly you did because by saying "either" you making a comparison to what I said, and if you were unable to understand what I said, How the fuck could you do that?

Demonfail now GTFO thread if you have no idea what your talking about, I wasn't even being offensive, and we are discussing a despicable murder here and you just want to trolololololo.

And you wont even abide by capitalization how can you even criticize me for grammar?

Hell you couldn't even post something that makes sense. All you can post is retard stuff that has no basis, its just "TROLOLOLOLASODASADSLASDOL I R DUMB MAI NEUM IS DEMONFAIL"

ps How is your mother wiping your ass related to terrorism?

__________
Ok now something that's on topic, now the death toll is apparently that high, so yes that guy did kill that many people with just guns according to the news.

Pretty sad day.

What i find really really scary beside the killing of people are the reactions short after that of people and news.

bomb exploded, people murdered => must be aquida and terrorism because norway took part in the "holy" (money dominated) war of these US failnaps and now it turns out that this guy is neither a muslim nor an immigrant

don't get me wrong on this im not a fan of religion fanatics whatever it is Muslims Jews or Christianity

but that shows how danger our world is made by some decadent Interventionism politics of these US fuckers and their attempts through worlddomination to force other countries to follow this idiotic shit
go and burn in hell you idiots in us government

troloololo

Yesterday there were like 10, now 90, the fuck!?

That is sick, freaking rightwing extremist fuck. They got killed for what, being politically active?


To be honest, I'd rather die than spend the rest of my days imprisoned. You're making it look as if imprisonment is a cakewalk, I'm pretty sure it's not. It's a matter of perspective either way

Scandinavian prisons generally resemble five star hotels.
You basically get to own a nice apartment with a comfortable bed and get access to computers, internet, phones, TV, education, good food and other expensive treatment such as psychologists etc etc. Many prisons have no fences and instead only a line that you're not allowed to cross. Every prisoner also has a the right to a three-day conjugal right in a three-room luxury apartment twice a year. A variety of sports and activities are also available to inmates. Prisoners are also allowed to live at home with the help of electronic devices and heavy surveillance. Lifetime in prison is usually up to 12-15 years with an earlier release for good behavior etc etc.

Oh, and that's for maximum security prisons.

This is what Wikipedia has to say about the subject:

"The Swedish prison system is not generally severe. The emphasis is on humanitarian treatment of prisoners and rehabilitation in favor of deterrence. Sentences are generally short and prisoners enjoy a high material standard. The maximum sentence—a "life" sentence—means imprisonment for an undetermined period no longer than the span of the prisoner's natural life, and the prisoner is generally released after 15–20 years"

(http://bboa.blogg.se/images/2009/swedish_prison_cell-300x203_60554053.jpg)

This picture says it all, pretty much. It's a bit outdated so that prisoner probably has a widescreen TV by now.

Prison "guards" are like "OK you can go buy some cigarettes but be home by nine!" LOL

So yes, AmPm does bring up a good point.

Well we simply have no experience with Hannibal-like criminals in Norway of this magnitude. How can you expect a justice system more or less based on subjugating the working class/modern middle class to be flexible and easy to apply when it comes to mass murders?

As for the prison system and economic penalties PRISON has been SHOWN to reproduce the situation and social environment leading to crime and crime-related "do-how". Prison and fines is only effective against middle class people and above, the lower classes are just further driven into desperation and lack of normal social networks for a legitimate existence.

And don't be so quick to judge us as lenient, we have high fine levels and excessive substance regulation, a lot of partypooper laws. And during WW2 we executed our traitors just like everyone else. They were shot to death.

i use to work with a guy who could actually leave prison to work. he had to be back in his cell by 7pm or something like that and the warden would ring our manager to check he had been at work. rofl.

That's a GOOD thing. He's being productive, he's showing that he can get up in the morning and get through a day of boring shit. Once he's out it won't be such a huge transition.

WTF! how the fuck can that be considered a prison LOL


He set up the bomb and after that went to a nearly island with some guns and killed 80 teens that were on summer camp.

i'd love to go to prison, getting a cell like that and just workout all day getting massive. my 5 year plan would be to get raped, workout allday until i was bigger than the guy who raped me and rape him back tbfh.

Tbfh, hearing about this bullcrap (as an american, mind you), ship the fucker to some country willing to torture him for a year or two. The shoot him in the back of the head and throw him into a river or some shit.

90 kids? Who the fuck kills 90 KIDS with a fucking assault rifle. In NORWAY. Who happens to be from norway himself -.-'?

*edit* topic split

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You can't do that you moron, go read up on Human Rights.

We can't do that, but perhaps we should...

We can do that, human rights only exists as far as the individual is able to protect them.

Or dooooo they?

The mystery thickens.

It's called Guantanamo. If you call him a terrorist human rights don't apply  ::)

Human rights are absolute, there's no conditions to them, lol.

homo sacer

Habeas corpus

lets not start this again, and if you want to go back to the other thread



actually its called if hes not in your country it doesn't apply

We need a prison ship, if it's in international waters its fair game.

extraordinary rendition?

International waters actually fall under UN jurisdiction, and as such - you can't torture people on prison ships.

Though the US never ratified the international criminal court treaty, so they actually can't be brought to justice if they did, lol.

See Unkn0wn.

Also, the UN is a largely worthless pile of bureaucratic crap.

Well there was always bound to be a reason the world has a burning dislike for the USA's foreign policy.

You know why stuff like the UN and Nato went to poop? Because the super-powers decided to turn back on their liberator past (WW2, actually Responding to cries of help instead of just invading randomly) and just veto everything they didn't think was perfect and optimal for themselves.

here is a movie of that guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps2GWengu1o

he wrote a book or something about anti Muslim stuff (not sure if its true but it is said)
makes it even more sarcastic that they said first it was alquida terror bombing

http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html

here is the book of that guy

It's more than very likely that his intentions were to make it look like the work of muslims.

Not really. White dude that has said many many times he is conservative christian TOTALLY shows he was trying to look muslim when he walked around shooting socialist kids.

The camp was about multicultural unity which is exactly what he opposes.

Yeah, and that would look muslim in which way? The bombing may have looked extremist muslim, if he wasn't caught, but when he started shooting PEW PEW PEW hes the crazy gun toting right wing that all the liberals were talking about. Didn't look muslim one bit there.

No way he was trying to do a false flag operation when he did the shooting.

according his book that guy is hard to put into any corner

he is anti-communist, anti-nazi, and anti-muslim

to describe him as an fundamentalistic christ may be as close as you can get (while almost every christ would have disagree in his killing of people) but thats how he see himself

that guy is very interesting according further psychological observations

Umm, being anti all that isn't really a problem, ALOT people in the world are anti commie/nazi/muslim.

Hell, I am very anti nazi and anti muslim, with belief that communism although as a idea could work, it most likely never ever will and turns out bad.

Hell im anti extremism muslim normal plain muslims are ok

yeah but if one kills so many people and thats not as pure killing spree but he choose his kind of victims according political reasons...than it should be possible to put that guy into some political groups

but not so in that case (at least not into a obvious one)

Everyone is anti-muslim, you're fucking kidding, right? Darksoldier?
The notion that you can be AGAINST 1.5 BILLION people who belief in islam is RETARDED. There's nothing wrong with islam, just like there's nothing wrong with Christianity or Judaism. Sure, you can be anti-religion, that actually makes sense, but being specifically against islam is just stupid.

There's also no such thing as 'a muslim' or 'the islam', the practice of Islam differs greatly from region to region. I.e many african countries are muslim, indonesia is mulim and the middle-east is largely muslim, yet they're ALL very different. Islam is a very peaceful religion, unfortunately it gets exploited by extremists the same way Judaism and Christianity gets exploited.

To put Islam in the same line-up as communism and nazism is appalling.

It is unfortunate that the Europe fucked the middle east up so much in recent and ancient history, making it a culturally stagnant backward area.

Iran is hardly a culturally backward area, unless you count being religious as culturally backward. (but then large parts of the US can be considered culturally backward just as well)

Umm, communist, Nazi and Muslim, well for 1. Muslim inst a political group. 2. Communist and nazi arn't the only political groups out there. There are shitloads more.

And, have you ever heard of conservative?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_Party_%28Norway%29

This is the party he was a member of. He apparently quit and his views went more extreme.

HERPDERP ALERT HERPDERP ALERT. 1. I never said everyone or most people is anti muslim 2. There ARE anti muslim people, Are you retarded? Get with the program. Just like there are people who hate only christanity, and only hate jews. FACT

 You sense make not even no.

Okay, you said A LOT of people are anti-muslim and you're making it seem as if that is somehow not a problem. Seriously? And you said you are anti muslim. How is being anti-muslim not a problem? There's really no rational argumentation why you could possibly and justifiably be ANTI muslim. Let me guess, 9/11? Herp derp.

People who are 'anti-muslim' (or anti christian or anti jew for that matter) are bigots. You're either against religion as a concept or you're not, being against one specific religion is just plain stupid and probably based on nothing but prejudice. .

No.

Ok, religion believe it or not, goes alot on how you perceive it. I can perceive the Quran as living in peace, and in a extremist way.

Same thing with the bibles.

And guess what.

Both christians and muslims both have twisted there religion into something retarded.

I am not anti-religion though, its not the religions fault, its the people who perceived it. Both religions can be great to encourage people to be peaceful, but I believe that infact, Muslim leadership in many middleeastern countries have twisted the religion much much more than christians in western countries have twisted it in my lifetime.

It's a little shortsighted to use only 'your lifetime' as a guide. If I were to judge nazism by what nazis have been up to in my lifetime I would probably have to conclude that there's nothing wrong with the ideology. Christianity over the course of History has been exploited just as much, if not more, than the Islam in those middle eastern countries today. Oh and christianity is still being exploited heavily in the USA today, just look at what the Tea Party is up to.

If you believe both religions can be great and it's not their fault that they are being exploited, why would you even say you are anti-muslim anyway?

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're trying to say but it's a little odd to say you are anti-islim simply because you are against middle-eastern dictators (a part of the world that does not even have the world's largest muslim population) who exploit religion for political gain. You should be more careful about the statements you make, certainly if you ever decide to travel abroad. (Where you will hopefully find out that most muslims are great people, just like most christians are)

the only thing interesting is his will to accomplish his goal

hitler wannabe tbh

To link a political ideology in the same context as a way of life shows a deep lack of understanding of the two, bordering on the naive and misinformed.

You talking about me saying "anti-muslim"?

If so I have got to disagree.

w00t? are you fucking kidding me? when ever someone fucked something up than its the USA invading randomly islamic countries because they failed to solve the Israel-Palestine conflict

the usa is governed by jews and money of jews that made them invading of arabic countries instead of invading israel at least 20 years ago and preventing their fucking around with arabic minority and making jerusalem some kind of vatikan 2.0
instead the by jews governed US supported israel

countries like germany can't do shit to solve the israel-palestine conflict because of our history
we are governed by an institution called Central Council of Jews due to our history unfortunately
but at least we don't try to go around invanding randomly islamic countries when not being forced by USA to do so

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1172957888?page=1

in free time guy played WOW,now he'll have plenty of time for that,lol

Lolwut? Thats his acc seriously? LOL

Europe divided the Middle East into it's current countries along arbitrary lines instead of cultural ones during its Colonial days, this is what has lead to the majority of cultural conflict in the area. The creation of the artificial state of Israel at the end of WW2 just made it worse.

LOL

lol


It's kind of weird, somewhat scary, to be able to just go through all of his posts like that. Obviously he'll just appear like your everyday WOW guy/internet user, which will only make him come across more 'humane' than he in fact was. Not a good thing I reckon, it's hard to place or rationalise 'evil' when the person committing such atrocities appears to be in fact dead normal. Do we really need to dig in this guy's life like this? What are we looking for? The deeper we dig the harder we're making it on ourselves.

By overly focussing on this guy we are almost turning him into some sort of 'anti-hero', which in turn will only entice other sick egoistic individuals to commit similar crimes. I mean, it must be quite the ego boost for this sick fuck to become this famous all of the sudden. It's mission accomplished as far as he is concerned.


I think this video sums it up:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

trolololol

keeps is smurfing and trolling in wow  :o :o :o

Someone should put glenn beck out of his misery

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/glenn-beck-norway-hitler-youth-bin-laden_n_908753.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2000920,00.html

John Pratt, a professor of criminology at New Zealand's Victoria University of Wellington and an authority on Scandinavian prisons, believes that the secret to the low crime levels in Norway and its Nordic counterparts is strong welfare systems that reduce poverty and inequality — key drivers of criminality. Studies show that countries and states investing more in education, health and social security typically spend less on their prison systems. Last year, California spent 11% of its state budget on its prisons — more than it put into higher education.

Yea, America should definitely cut in its government programs even further.  :P

Is noway filled with a bunch of retards who think they are oppressed ex-slaves that need to kill whitey? And Noodle boy, and curey boy, ect.


Nope.

More importantly, do you have large populations that don't want to gain an education and want to epitomize the "thug"lifestyle? No? There is your answer. In Norway its not cool in any circle to be an unemployed drug dealer/thief/gangster?

Btw, his name is Conservatism on skype. I added him before. He said we should do a lan party at my house and play CoD so I gave him my address.

No, seriously. The fact that he plays WoW "hardcore" just shows how mentally disturbed he must be.

I hate when media does this. The man was disturbed BEFORE any games, the games are just the trigger that helped fan it all chances are without them he still would have gone batshit crazy, and the news media giving him a target are likely more to blame, but we cant have that now can we?

Have you guys read some exerpts of him planning the attack?

The guy had VERY high moral. He wasn't unsure about killing at all. He even wanted to go visit his sister, ect. He was also happy that he was gaining muscle.

And other thing why he got so many kills is that he poisoned his bullets, and if that worked correctly, he wouldn't need to hit a vital organ to kill somone.

+1

I think the guy is actually far-left, but is trolling far-right followers with this.

I mean, how do you politically destroy a faction? By committing a heinous atrocity and accrediting this atrocity to the teachings of whichever one political faction!

WoW is not a game. It's a mind twisting drug for children.

Hardly violent though

I want to stab Glenn Beck. That's absolutely the worst ethical view to have.

What makes it even more ridiculous is that the Tea Party is hosting political 'summer camps' just as well. Although I reckon Tea Part camps DO actually indoctrinate children with fucked up values.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/tea-party-summer-camp-held-in-florida/2011/06/15/AGOjOEWH_blog.html


Fucking nutjobs

What's so wrong with the Tea Party? All I've read is that they're conservative and libertarian.

He was probably encouraged and paid off by the Labor Party to prevent any compton during elections.

Who wants to go rob banks in Norway?????

http://www.slate.com/id/2300098/?gt1=38001