COH: Europe In Ruins

Anyone played with our half mutilated, half implemented tank hunters?

I'm thinking of doing either double bottom T3s (I like the idea of zimmerit + jagdpanther), or the bottom T4. Other than marders becoming retarded good with either Top T4 or bottom T4 I dont see much that really entices me. I used to love playing with a hetzer and a teller mine ambush in R+ mode which probably means bottom T4 would be good for me.

Generally Im not that big of a fan of the hetzers though because of icky modifiers of the m18 vs hetzer.
Ideas, thoughts.

Hetzers with APCR will make it a decent ATG.
i used to use them with Assult grens but after the price increase i lost the intrest in it sence they cost the same as a TB witch has the same surviability in a house when with the bottom T2.

Those icky modifiers don't exist anymore Smokaz.

Penetration rate is 0.6, that's before range is even taken into account - A total of 0.75 at short range, so your looking at 0.45 penetration even if they drive up in your face.

Even if they have HVAP, your looking at 0.6 penetration from the front at the best more or less.

get on xfire smokaz, and I shall help you.  But yes, its retarded how much TD sucks.  Bottom t4 is crap btw.  Only good part is muni hts becoming teller mine spammers + mg42 carriers.  But other than, it sucks. 

Why is everyone asking for me to get xfire? Ive downloaded eirr, omg, ventrilo. this was supposed to be a serious laptop. with law school documents and papers on it. i've even been to a porn site once already. its ruined

so why were they nerfed then?

hahaah! same here! i dont have a wireless card for my desk top, and this laptop was supposed to simply be for music, light entertainment when i travel, but since im too lazy to buy a wireless card, this is my main computer!

I have no idea, I'm gonna go with the fact that whoever is running balance these days is mediocre at best.  The TD doctrine has been shit since the day it came out.  Skaffa and I said it then, and many others have joined in since then...

Yeah. This doctrine really pigeon holes you.

Miss old hotchkiss command tank!

Just make a non-shooting CCT, would love it. Or a dummy panther cct ffs, that would be extremely cool.

Where's gearbox, Where's Hunter-Jägers, i mean wheres the good shit?


gotta agree, Im totally out of the dev loop these days. warmap super delayed, doctrines super delayed, i know they got other things to do but we want to play with warmpa + doctrines so baaad. really dissapointing  lately

that was indeed epic.  But Anyways, since you're being retarded....

just go dual t3s(bottom and mid), get a berge, spam hetzers, get the rockets ofc, obviously tank intel is the important and super useful, especially on r+ starts and allows a pp sink for later on.

spam tellers and incendiary nades on pgs to cover flanks of hetzers/unprotected backcappers and clear support weapons

make sure you have 1 mht just in case your pr0 micro fails at flanking

and a triple schwimm callin for snipers...

try to fit in a ketten somewhere to get munis for berge.

Constantly repaired hetzers with +15 acc and elite front crits and -10% received penetration is pretty nice.  

Its also the only actually good option TH has right now.  I personally use a jagd because its my favorite unit in COH, but if you skip that you can get a berge instead and 2 hetzers...

im playing with jagd regardless, so i guess its double T3s for me

Well it does go 400mph and kill everything, so I understand.  Skip the berge then, the t1s are all too useful, and you have to get the rockets to help clear repairing tanks, and dual t3s seriously buff hetzers...TH doc is really at its best right now only with hetzer spam, which is sad in itself.

I would just give you my company, but can't do that anymore.

you know that hetzers withouth APCR dont do shit to most stuff right?


Well,you have Tym d.o.o. and company whining about how OP only usefull stuff is,so it gets nerfed,and you have shit left.

Hmm, wouldnt triple panthers with zimmerit and bottom t3 be better than a jagd?

wasnt it said that zimmerit actually made jagd worse in some way?

+1

hetzers are shit without apcr
and even with apcr they are shit being spamed (but thats actually not a bad thing)

i would say go APCR and use 2-3 hetzers and rest of fuel for marders and 1-2 mg scoutcars
other menpower put into g43 grens and maybe some grens with flame nades
and i wouldn't get a jagd because you are low on AT then (no marders etc) jagd is hit or miss and can be miss very quick


+2

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you can play a heavy vehicle combined arms Company like i had with bottom T4 but since the nerfs its a bad one

- bunch of inf hts with assault grens and maybe tankbuster
- bunch of mun HTs with mines
- some marders

and rest into whatever you want (i had no g43 grens and no tankbuster in that company only assault grens in HTs)

the T3 gives your tanks elite criticals. What this does is the following:

Replaces the 5% chance of top gunner killed at yellow health by a 25% chance of engine damage.

It does reduces crit chances vs sticky bombs and mines though.

so it's shit...

yes, we removed elite crits from the tiger for a reason. I don't understand anything of this doctrine.

Why do neither of the bottom T3s buff the armored car?

We want to keep it as shit as possible ::)

Wouldn't the AC be a better candidate than the 37mm hotchkiss for getting this buff?

Hopefully when they rework this, they will add the % accuracy modifier vs units in smoke which was the original intention behind the "infrarot" name, yes?

Who even made this?

Newsflash: AP rounds m10s and hellcats still took a shit on my zimmerit panther. *act surprised*Oh well, more fuel for the hate.

replace zimmerit bonus with 0.75 received damage to all tanks tbh

zimmerit gives AC skirts? better protection vs handheld at. perfect.

I already told you best option is hetzer spam...not panther spam, you're not o4b.

trust me, you're doing a fuckin great job of that

hetzers aren't bad if you give them the 15% accuracy buff from bottom t3...and nobody should use bottom t4 in protest of the retardedness of it.  Hetzers don't always damage things, but they bounce a ton of shots too to make up for it....

I have said countless times to remove the elite armour front in the past. It IS shit. Good thing jagdpanther doesn't have it anymore. Elite crits want to make me eat my own shit. Its another one of the reasons KT sucks. KT has elite crits, and when a 57mm trolololol's you by giving you engine dmg from the front, that slow bastard is even slower.

There should be a little bit more synergy between the T3s. Im not sure how though.

But there is 1 light.

My TH company has only gotten stronger from the recent mun atg change. Less mun in ATG based companies/more M10's and shermans is only good for a jagdpanthers metagame.

why the hell are you using a panther as PE?
thats imho pretty retarded


that sounds insane as a T3
and shit for all halftrack support stuff users

yea but its a TH doctrine, not a halftrack mechanized assault company.  That kinda buff is for luft or se.

and? you cant hunt tanks with inf halftracks with tankbuster or with 50mm hts etc?

You can't really hunt tanks with shreks as long as inf hts are made of paper. They work when you get a jump on a medium speed tank who is away from its support, but with bars and at guns around the inf hts aren't very good.

hetzer spam doesnt do shit to 3x armor with pershings  ::)
if he had that,he would be even more useless...atleast panthers did something.

Well go read my original post where I laid out the doctrine build.  I said teller spam.  Hetzers can gangbang a pershing after it hits a teller.  Sorta.  Anyways, you're right.  But I use a jagd so I don't worry about pershings.  Perhaps jagd + 3 hetzers is better than 5 or 6 hetzers.

even after it hist teller,you cant do anything to him with hetzers,they just bounce and bounce,and it's not like he is alone,so you can circle him with 3 hetzers and hit him in the ass...

Well, thats what teammates are for.

Concidering a hetzer can just kite the dmg'd engine pershing, not much of a big deal in that situation lol.

Best thing to finish a pershing off - Upgun Hotchkiss. gaurenteed pen even when pershing is vet3 and at long range.

I just dont see the point of zimmerit. It will somewhat help against the nonbuffed at weapons that normally has a average chance of penetrating, but the firefly, reapers and at rounds will still make ANYTHING less than a jagd totally scared of taking even 1 shot from them. And the bottom buffs a bunch of axuiliary units, but not the AC.

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I will not be so kind next time around smurf.

it is fake poo,wheres the problem? plastic poo is problem?

Subdude dissent! Pretend until we're dead!

this mod is full of bobs  :-[


wtf are you talking about?

ok give me 10k bucks and i gaurantee you to give them back to you with same as the penetration chance aka 45.36%

Hmm, devs, when did upgun hotchkiss vs pershing change? It had to be somewhat recent. I don't see it recorded anywhere. And I know it used to be 2 for a fact.

And bigdick l2speakwithgrammer.

Lerne erst einmal deutsch du Volltrottel, dann unterhalten wir uns über Grammatik.

Upgun Hotchkiss penetration against Pershings was changed quite a while ago on the grounds that it was bat-shit ridiculous.

Before you could take 2 Upgunned Hotchkiss and gg Pershing. Use 3 if you want it done with haste.

It still dose with Upgunned Hotch with APCR
And with infarot they upgunned get the ability to be both AI and AT
You could allso run non upgunned hotch in packs just to couse Engine Crits against tanks.

Pfff its not batshit ridiculous.

Regardless 1 upgun hotchkiss can mess up a repairing pershing >.<