COH: Europe In Ruins

Jeep vs Bike.


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Why is the jeep so fucking shitty, i get more snipers kills with artillery.

this is hilarious  :D, after I got 66 kills with sniper

They should give the allies jeeps, different ones for each faction. The Royal Arty one could shoot indirectly, or spotting flares. The armor one could have more armor and have crush, and we could also nerf the Axis bike!

I cant help i bring 7 jeeps and caarnus and everyone else only bought 2. The amount of schreks everyone had that game retarded.

Bike has a far superior Rate of fire.

The fact that you responded to that just shows how stupid the idea is.

this was more of a rage post by aeroblade because of the game he just played   ::)

You mean the stomp i just played.

And if your not going to talk about this current topic Get the fuck off here.

tbh this isnt a seroius thread jeep vs bike I mean come on no has every complained about this before

Was and is serous. with all the blitz players its getting annoying having to kill snipers and protect your jeeps from getting gibbed by storms.

I never said it was op nor game breaking only thats its frustrating and annoying that bikes  seem way more usefull.

Hahahaha... Quad, end of story

Anyone remember the old doctrine called Scouting? The one that gave jeeps 300% HP?

At least they have equal amount of men on them.

german engineering op bikes. had 10 bikes gange bang my howie.

900 manpower and 90 fuel? Sounds fair enough, lol

quad .50 jeeps with mine flail

its true, many times ive sent two bikes to kill a sniper and done fine even with allies covering the sniper. but as allied you need to send 3-4 jeeps to make sure the sniper dies.

jeeps really only help you find the sniper

bren carriers > armed schwimms > bikes > jeeps.  Whats your point?  Just get a counter sniper and have zooks and an mg around him, he'll never die.

+1

quad + jeep = 9 pop > 3xjeeps = 9pop

pretty effective combo and if u r having armour Calling it in than sniper is pretty much done

Quad + Jeep combo has the added benefit of allowing the Quad to shred enemy Bikes. On the downside, you can't do lolwut rushes right through their lines.

Use Mark Target on the Jeep with Armour for best results. 20 Seconds of no cloak with a Quad gunning for it usually guarantees death for the Sniper.

You do realize that the jeep and the bike are pretty much the same except that the Jeep has more health and better maneuvering?

Don't forget that the Motorcycle has twice the acceleration (5.5 Jeep, 12 Motorcycle) and a faster turn rate (85 Jeep, 105 Motorcycle - It can't reverse, but when it's actively searching for a target it can take corners faster than the Jeep)

Not only that, the Motorcycle does much better DPS against US/CW targets than the Jeep does against WM/PE targets.

But yeah. I guess apart from all that they are the same. -.-'

If I was given a choice between using a Motorcycle and a Jeep, I'd used the Motorcycle for the simple reasons that it would get to the target faster and kill it in a shorter time. User micro and skill usually make up for the lack of reverse. Not only that, I can go competently shred the much flimsier US support teams with a bit of flanking after I'm done with that Sniper. Doing that with a Jeep is much more difficult and time consuming.

The bike will kill the jeep 1v1

rly? 2 pages about jeeps and bikes? the discussion content is falling down.....

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can u hear it hitting the ground?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Funnily enough, the Jeep usually kills the Motorcycle in a 1 v 1, but that's due to the huge health gap (185 Jeep, 125 Motorcycle) allowing the Jeep to simply out-last it.

For every other application? Motorcycle pl0x.

I'm sick of watching 3 of my jeeps not able to kill a single support team, yet an axis player can pull out a single jeap and take out my atgs. it's rather annoying, their gun is stronger, they're faster, quicker and have a higher dodge, YET they cost the exact same as a jeep.

they bike shouldn't have so many roles for how cheap it is. It's a great scouter because of its dodge, it's good at killing support teams, excellent vs snipers, and it can even take out infantry if used in force.

Jeeps seem to be hit by everything that shoots at them, aren't as fast, don't have as high of a accel, their gun sucks despite being on a sturdier platform than a bike (realism...w/e)

There are two DIFFERENT (point that out for you idiots who will think I want a dual nerf) ideas that I propose.

1. Price increase: To reflect their usage, somewhere in between the PE Wagon and current price. (120/10 vs 90/10 & jeep is 110-10...seriously?)

2. Lower sight: The WM have two scouting units, guess which one I never see? There's absolutely NO reason to take a scwim over a bike, it's not cheaper, it's not faster, doesn't have more sight, etc. So there should be a clear defining of roles, the bike should be the force scout and the scwim the passive scout.

I'd say, Bike sight should be 40, leave detection alone. Shwim should be 60 since it's unarmed and has as high or maybe higher probably of getting hit than the allied jeep. This would make the two have totally different roles yet still be quite effective.

+1 Tym

The WM Schwim has 175 health compared to the Motorcycle's 125.

That's enough to survive an ATG shot. Just sayin'.

Oh, and Motorcycle dodge is no better than Jeep dodge. Just more long ranged AT pieces on the Axis sniping away at your Jeeps (Marder, Geschutz, Pak's of all descriptions, Panthers) that make it feel like your getting hit more often.

You kidding me? The jeep never wins.

there's a 20% higher chance to miss a bike over a jeep, it's inherent to the bike.

Then there's the pak quick strike which gives it 100% accuracy vs any target and if its a jeep, its done in that one hit.

bikes cost 90 mp i think and the jeep is 110.

Yer it is annoying haveing bikes roam around and kill your shitty allied mortar or atg.

Whilst the foreveralone jeep sits there shooting aimlessly into the wind.

so u suggest making jeeps better and stronger?

(18 jeep 2 pershing coy says AWWWWYEAHHHHHHH)

Jeep is high cost not because of it being generally better, it is because it can survive a lot more. (like a faust shot on full health just saying).

Motorbikes major advantage is its higher Rof Gun and hey, it is meant against support weapons (So is jeep). Recon and jeep. Though Jeep is better versus volksgrenadiers than it is versus snipers (according to mysthalin) so yes.

If someone says PE Schwim is good, yes it is good, a jeep with a bike gun. (Or is it?).

WM Schwim is good because it is only 2 pop compared to Bike, therefore fits in starting callins. Plus its repair is 5 mun only.

US Jeep is good at spotting things and using marktarget. It is also good at harshing others.

If WM bike was nerfed what would be their sniper hunter then? WM Schwim? Yes Im going to hunt your sniper without being able to gun it down. No.

and a pak shot AWWWWYEAHHHHH

It can take more hits but it has no accuracy buffs so it will get hit more often, even from small arms fire.


Lol jeep is horrible vs support weaopns, i brought out FIVE to take on support weapons (I was frustrated with game...and low on stuff) and it killed one, 3 of them died, 1 ran away, one got crippled. If those were bikes, 4 would've gotten through and taken out at least 2 of the support weapons, seen it happen several times.


PE Schwim is def a jeep + a bike gun. Similar health as jeep, same gun as bike.


Ok, one less pop, yay?


Mark target is only an armor coy ability, you can't balance units based off doc ability you balance teh ability.

lmao good at harassing others, I'd have to say the bike is way better at that, it's faster, better acceleration, better gun, better speed, cheap, so you aren't losin gmuch, better able to keep up with what ur harassing and changing direction.


You can still use the bike derp, I said "don't touch the detection radious" thus, it is still perfectly capable of hunting snipers lmao.

I proposed two things, which of course since you obviously can't read. I mentioned changing price, and changing both the scwim and bike sight radious, to make the bike more of a force scout but it's still great at hunting snipers, while the schwim would be the dedicated scout but wouldn't have the dual use of being able to attack support weapons.

the main issue i have with the wm bike is the multi role's it has.

better dodge, better gun, faster, quicker, and cheaper than the us jeep.

Bike, multirole... bwahahaha, Seriously, buy a puma

Am I reading that bike is OP? lol

No that jeep kinda sucks.

No one said Op. we are comparing two units with the same roles and figuring out how and why the jeep is inferior to a bike.

seriously...for taking out support weapons, buy 3 bikes, better than a single puma.


Not OP, but over priced and that wm schwim is a lil redundant.


Pretty much. Axis sees jeep and lol's. Let me sneak my storms up on his jeep and kill it. for some reason i can't detect storms sneaking up on my bike before they can fire.


pretty much. It's a lot of the same argument with the ketten and armed schwim last year.

That's also more pop and pretty much single use

Also much cheaper in Fuel (30 vs 65) and 10 MP less. Single use only applies if it's a suicide run, in which case, the Puma would also be single use.

Hicks, show me a replay of the terrifying power that is bike swarms, because in my 500+ games of EiRR I've never seen it :/

i think he means jeeps vs bikes. a bike swarm is far scarrier then  a jeep swarm.

Simply because nobody has thought of it, does not mean it will never be attempted.

Also, I've been witness to Mysthalin pull out a swarm of around 8-10 Jeeps and cut down a pair of dual Shreck Storms. Now imagine it done with the DPS of Motorcycles against squishy US squads.

Well 900mp, 30 pop and 100 fuel better cut something down, lol

Tried it in cheatmod.

Was lol.

Someone should use it.

Deadbolt?

I've seen it.  SmurfUnoctium tried it with something like 48 bikes against me in a game.  It was loltastic, but somewhat effective.

+1 to tym suggesting a more defining role for said units.

And I think jeeps should get a price decrease and bikes price increase.

seriously, only advantage the jeep has is health and that doesnt mean shit. in the EIRR setting jeeps and bikes are used for anti-sniper counter 80% of the time, scouting 20% usually after they have killed a sniper.

give jeeps more health or better sight, or something!

Am I the only one facepalming at this thread?

So in a short if bike gets nerfed the way Tym wants it will be low los ranged 'recon' unit that is 3 pop. Jeep is fine in all terms. It is a recon unit so is bike. Bike has better gun but no reverse and low health. It has no better 'dodge' than jeep.

Health also means quite a lot, the ability to survive a lot longer means quite a lot (I as a dedicated Commando jeep spammer. They survive small arms fire a lot longer than bikes do under a focus fire. Also the ability to reverse doesn't mean it gets stuck in weird pathing errors like the bike does.

Plus 2 pop means quite a lot. 88 8 pop and spotter for 2 equals that 10 pop for solid support weapon. Also it won't shoot to reveal its location.

Plus I'm fairly sure no axis 'lol' at jeep when they spot it spotting their stuff. It is what recon does. In a similar fashion no one lols at a spotting bike. Intel is one of the key element of warfare and winning.

I always noticed that bikes can dodge the hell out of RR, zooks, atgs, tanks, etc. Send 2 or 3 of them into the enemy army and they will break through and take out the sniper. US jeeps dont have that luck. Even in larger numbers. Would more dps help balance the jeep? or just cause more grief due to spam?

It's a long time ago but I had a game on Bastion where I was Airborne and called a Mortar, MG, Airborne+RR, Airborne Rifle and a Airborne Riflesquad and a ATG and a whole 24Pop Bikergang killed all my stuff.
The MG dealed a lot of damage to some of them but once they passed it was dead, the same for the mortar and the ATG. The two Airborne
squads where in green cover and the RRs missed all the time. In the end I got rid of the most of them but I had just a broken RR squad with
a 2 guys left.

I was a bit confused after this.  ;D

RRs miss because they have low accuracy low scatter and bike has Phase Armor, exact same reason why RRs are not as good versus Pumas.

And -66% received accuracy while moving.

Fixed.

my jeep wants phase armor.

Most of what Night says is dead wrong, its why we chuckle when he goes off on his "tiger is crap" rant

Last game:
Myth called in a lot of Jeeps to get rid of a sniper. I could do a counter snipe+recon to solve this problem, but refused and said he got it.
One bike chases my Sniper and in the first burst it dies. -.-'

Tiger is crap...

Thread is so noob, because bike has better dps and nobody cares if it takes a atg shot or not. Bike really is better than jeep for anti sniper hunting.

+15% damage from terror aint crappy either, thats so good for a bike in enemy territory hunting a sniper.

Ami jeep gets mark target which is pretty good. but it aint that good at sniper hunting on its own, mark target or not (but mark target helps)

Its hard to say whether or not this requires a change, but the discussion seems pretty noob to me

price change at least. 110/10 vs 90/10 is ridiculous. jeep isn't worth 20 more mp than jeep, at least make it the same

+1

Makes me sick, and it was being discussed in the wrong place.

In related discussion and the OP starts it off with a meme, thread should of been moved to the trash general discussion long ago

Says spam jeeps doesnt have one british account  8)


As for demon and smokaz, no one forced you to click this thread no one said click here.

I wonder if you have noticed, no games played for a long long long long long time either ;D

and yet you dont see the our points. this hybrid balance discussion is pathetic, nothing is well thought out but a bunch of fanboys arguing shit. no organisation. If you ever saw how PQ ran balance discussions.. man then this would like like a childs attempt. pQ ran a good show.

To be honest isn't that how most balance discussions go around here?

Cool story bro.

yeah its pathetic, and how he replies just emphasises it again.

Why does this thread exist?

and yet you can't even spell organization and you can't even do a balance discussion yourself. you immediately go to insults and bad mouthing other players, so fuck off, no one gives a shit about your opinion when you can't even present it in an intelligent manner.

Why not make bikes and jeeps the same price?

Are you that uneducated to not know about spelling differences?


I don't create balance discussions, i read what others write and determine if there posts have merit or not. If you knew about this, you would'nt have made a fool of yourself and say i can't do my own.


Wrong. As for you, your first post directed towards me only insults me and bad mouths me. That would mean you IMMEDIATELY went to insults. as for me, I did not immediately go to insults.

If you're going to try and have a go at me becuase you can't do your own balance discussion (in a related discussion lol) do it right in an intelligent manner and atleast with some degree of formality to show that you have the right to question someones elses education in the english language when you don't even know simple spelling differences outside of your country.

Oh and this, quote by quote reply, is how you do your shit balance discussions, and it's disgusting.

Smokaz fails to mention that Mark Target is exclusive to Armour and NightRain goes on about his COMMANDO Jeep spam company when were talking about the default Jeep...

Hm.

(Commando Jeep is leagues ahead of the regular Jeep, the whole you know, it has a fully functioning Bren on it as well as the standard Jeep weapon)

It has the m2hb gun, which is the same as the usht and staghound

american jeep is soooo op

Has anyone checked their armor and how much damage they take from fire arms and such?

How bout stopping this brainfuck already and mirror everything? Also make doctrines boring 5 percent stat buffs for every faction.
All problems solved, more time to post in the Funy Stuff thread.
Sometimes this forums feel like highschool discussion class.