COH: Europe In Ruins

The British are coming The British are coming.

THE BRITISH ARE HERE

World Of Tanks 8.1 update is live enjoy the real tank smiths of the 20th century

I did play with real tank smiths of the 20th century, too bad their tanks are terrible compared to Russians. Wehrmacht ftw ;D

british tanks

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People who insult British tanks seem to forget that the British invented tanks.

Just because you invented them doesnt mean they are the best.

It certainly implies that you have a certain knowledge of the subject, implying the ability to produce, at worst, average tanks.

Pfff yeah the Brits where the first to get the idea of some inprenetable thing that can dish out some hurt.

Technically if we're going by that logic, Leonardo Da Vinci invented the tank. However, the British were the first to successfully deploy it in combat, to great success.

Chinese invented gun powder, Americans use it better.

Egypt invented math...

etc etc.

For every such example there is also a tale of just the opposite occurring.

No, What the Brits did was Invent ARMORED IFANTRY SUPPORT VEHICLES.
The germans Invented the TANK.  Anytime you say Tank you think, Tiger, King Tiger, Pazer, blitz Krieg.   

As Simple as that. 

Depends on the way you look at the philosophy, not the vehicle puddin.

Yes the brits had "infantry support vehicles" but they were essentially tanks, armored tracked vehicles with a turret, even if it was just a sponson.

If you really want to see the first tank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Willie

that looks about right but they couldn't get the turret right.

Back to history.

The Germans were the first to use infantry to support tanks, rather than tanks to support infantry.

http://etloh.8m.com/strategy/offense.html

tym i generally don;t call people idiots unless its blatent... but By looking down at the bottme of your OWN WIKI posting.... there is this Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_I_tank
it says " First Combat Tank" 

You posted a PROTOTYPe.... WTF....  You even bothered to Look up the information, and still got it wrong... Its not even worth discussing if you can find information and just completly ignore facts

Puddin, quit being a jerk.

The Little Willie was the first prototype and the Mark I was BASED off the Little Willie.

I know about the freakin Mark I, I even talked about it in my post, I just eluded to the Little Willie to say that it was the grand daddy, the Mark I is the Father.

In your hurry to try and make me look like a fool it backfired on you.


two different lines of thought. One is one tank, the next PARAGRAPHY is about a different tank.

You guys do realise that tank was just a name given to the project of building an AFV in ww1 to confuse any spies, into thinking it was just plans for a water tank. The idea came about because the early mk 1-5's looked like big steel water tanks.

And the name stuck

That's pretty common knowledge by now.

Interesting, I had no idea that's where the name came from.

Yeah all the shipping containers were labeled "water tank".

Like alot of stuff, the Germans took the concept and made it better. Not so much the design of tanks initially, but certainly the effective employment of them.

On the topic of world of tanks. The low tier tanks get a machine gun. Which is so super sexy. I think WoT changed around alot of their auto cannon weapons though.

The crusader might have been shit, but by rights it's the most sexy, sleek looking tank ever conceived.

Crusader tank looks like a terd with a straw sticking from it.

not really, i never knew that

i cant call the early developements of the "tank" in great britain a tank lol. That were more or less bins on wheels and not comparable with the later german tanks tbh. The tank as an own mainline weapon got invented by the germans from my point of view.

To be honest, no. We wouldn't even be calling it a tank were it not for the Brits. We'd be calling it a war wagon or something.

Those German vehicles wouldn't exist without the first world war trench tanks.
Britain invented the concentration camp too. The Germans just refined it

Those first vehicles still possessed the modern trinity of armoires philosophy, mobility, firepower, and protection. Maybe not as much as a modern tank but it had that compared to an infantryman or cavalry unit

As a side note, speaking of calling them Tank's, that doesn't go for a lot of languages... For example, in Swedish it's called a Pansarvagn... Directly translated to Armoured Wagon! Funny that... We probably got that one from the Germans.

TBH the french FT1 is celebrated as the first true MBT.

its had the first real combination of Firepower, Mobility and Armor

The first tranversble turret mounted cannon, the first true tank shape

lol so many things tym.

The Russian Empire had labor camps in Siberia called Katorga and before that Tsarist Russia had prison farms, long before the Second Boer War. The German labor camps were based on the later Soviet Gulags.

Gispacho made the stomp, but the koreans refined it.

since when u can stomp somebody?  ::) or u had in ur mind that u had good team8s to carry u and win vs koreans?   ::)

The Germans don't call them tanks you know.

You mean Armored Fighting Wagon's? xD

The official name is generally armour.

That would be why I included the second part of my post. Panzerkampfwagen is German for tank, is it not? Literally translated, that would be "armored war wagon", would it not? Idiot.

Not really, for the most part it seems to be "Armored -Something-". Again, if we talk Swedish the literal translations from Stridsvagn/Pansarvagn work out along the lines Fighting Wagon/Armored Car

It's two words smashed together, Just like how panzerkampfwagen was 3 words. Anyway, while "Tank" did catch on it's not actually that common from what I know outside the English language, it's more likely to be some mash of several words. It's actually funny when you think about it as panzerkampfwagen or even Stridsvagn closely turns into armored fighting wagon/car/vehicle, the funny bit is that the US/English use this designation for something else entirely.

Armoured Fighting Vehicles tend to take up a lot larger scope of vehicles (including recon vehicles, troop transports etc. A humvee i think counts as an AFV and is clearly not a tank.) and not restricted to 'tanks' alone. However those which you would classify as a 'tank' while are still classified as an Armoured Fighting Vehicle would be more specifically termed Armour.

Paul Revere? More like Paul Reverse

i dont get it, but then again this topic was derailed 5 stations ago so whats to get

Just goes to show that what it is called in English has absolutely nothing to do with who actually invented it and the same goes for other languages.

idiot.

You're still not getting it. I thought I spelled it out easily enough but whatever.

back to OP...


british tanks

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Well I know that, what I'm saying is if you step outside English the term/name for a tank seems to be a bit longer than simply Armour/Tank, that's what I meant.

well tbh "tank" is and sounds like and also is as an example a term for a container. Regarding that the early tanks (containers) were the bins on wheels. So possibly the first (very first) thoughts about tanks were things on wheels. It got developed later on to the armoured fighting vehicles we had in ww2 and also today. Many other languages dont use the simple term tank (container) but the armoured whatever vehicle/wagon. Only in the english language the tank is still popular for the armoured fighting vehicle. Possibly because of their first tries.

I think we've already asserted both the origin of the word, its use in English and its use in other languages to death at this point, with a ton of miscommunication going around to boot.

Problem with other languages is that you might need to check the context to make sure the word is actually what you think it means. Can get tricky.

Well I'm swedish myself, so that's why I'm pretty sure about that one ;) And we all know how the germans like their long names, heh.

yeah and as a real german can agree on that. The smaller word for panzerkampfwagen is panzer, that way u can also often hear p4 or even panzer 4. The word "Panzer" is something with "panzerung" (armour) and in this context unfortunately not comparable with the simple container (tank) u would normally use as the english word. Why would u otherwise call it armoured fighting vehicle/wagon? Tank is not directly linked with armour still common used in the english language.

How about we agree that a "tank" is merely a fully enclosed, turreted armoured military vehicle that uses continuous tracks (as opposed to Wheels or a half-track) to move about?

Under this definition of course the original "tanks" of World War 1 would not be considered so much Tanks as they would be Assault Guns - but considering that it's these Assault Guns were conceived under a principle similar enough to Tanks designed later on it makes no matter in the context of World War 1.

Especially since the two were called the same.

Why don't we all just agree "Tank" has too much money and spare time on his hands and likes to squash young peoples dreams by using heavy moderation........

Sounds good

Well if i were you with that amount of money i would do the most silly things i could think off.

Like hiring 2 guys to follow me around, 1 carrying a bag of light bulbs and another one carrying an travel vacuum and every time someone says the word "What" one of them would trow a light bulb on the ground and the other one would clean it up as quickly as possible.

Hans, a real german? Protest!

if i had that much money i would probably invest or make my own game, and free updates.

Pfft, too predictable tbh.
a lot more fun to do silly and cheap things instead of 1 thing thats a waste of money.

OH no thats not the fun part i would probably make a forum and then just moderate people and loved see them rage on forum.

Made me lol :D

yea, the people i used to work with had some really wierd conversation topics like when we talked about skinning a cat, where to hide the bodys of campers if we would go kill them or as i wrote before what you would do if you would win a shitload of cash.


Well if that would be the case he could just as much apply for a job as an Bioware forum admin tbh.

Most of these post made me LOL..... then I read Icelandic's posts and I was:


Like WTF is wrong with this dude?????

I like you Ice, but sometime you post like a fucking retard....LOL

That bit, that bit right there, is worthy of being a signature. Fuck me i can't stop laughing. No offense to you ice ;)

Sense when?


You got a better way of getting to 5000 posts?

Why would you even strive for that?

Because the number 4000 is a terrible number.

around as bad as the number 11

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Whats six times nine?
42

Since we're being history pedants in this thread, Paul Revere never said this. In fact Paul Revere and most people in New England at the time were British. He actually said something along the lines of 'The Regulars are coming out' talking about the regular army.

i saw something about Chinese Tanks

Yeah, Chinese tech tree, will be i the next big patch :D

More type 59's. Great. And the Germans still get no leopard 1

Chinise tanks... What in the fuck, the Italians had more and better tanks thanthey did... Did China even have any friggin tanks? At best it would just be more reskinned Russian ones like the 59

afaik the chinese used german, japanese and russian tanks during ww2, dunnu what they used after.

All of China's military equipment are cheap mass produced copies usually based on Russian design but they also borrow designs from other foreign nations. Nearly all of their post-WW2 tanks are based on Russian tanks. Before and during WW2 they used German, Japanese, Russian, British, American and Italian tanks.

My point being, they did not have their "Own" tanks... why would they be making a Chinese tank tree... It's nonsense

Thats because they had like 5 different factions each one supported by who they were trying to align with.



Because there trying to get themselves liked in china

Obviously, but it's still a dumb idea, lol

cuz it would be a mixed tech tree which tbh could be pretty interesting.

http://worldoftanks.eu/dcont/fb/news/big_title/chines_3/wot_chinese_release_tree_eu.jpg

Just in case anyone is too lazy.

Yup, one or two western tanks and the rest of them are just Russian tanks or Chinese clones of Russian tanks, fucking worthless really.

Japanese/Italian tan... Tankettes would be more interesting that this "new" tree, it's really just re-skinned Russians.

I did see a Chi-Ha in there though!

how many more forum guidelines does vermillion have to break till he is banned from the forum?

An inflammatory post? You'd best watch out Demon, that's against the forum guidelines.

Dont worry ver, they dont ban people if they ask for it so remember to spam the PMs for requests of being banned.

:L

lol

To the devs and the majority/minority of the chinese gaming population it isn't.

well if the chinese get a tree, a broken tree at that.
The australians should get a tree, we built the AC series of tanks, while also having lend/lease tanks

thats the general moronic ideal i can gather from the inclusion of a chinese tree

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The difference is that F2P is big in China and their population isn't exactly small.

i do see your point pony, but seriously whats next if they include a chinese tree thats basically a cut paste of all other nations save 3 tanks, they might as well have an italian tree, chezch, canadian, japanese, new zealand and even finnish.

And to be frank, personally I would not feel good about having a halfaased cut-Paste tank tree in my country's name, more disgusted for the cheap marketing trick it really is.

There is one major difference though between a half-arsed chinese tree and the dito of x country.

The Chinese market is huge.

If I recall correctly italian, chezch and other european nations will be combined so they may fill in each others gaps. And japan will get its own tree.

Considering how f'king huge the Chinese market is, I really don't think this is a stupid idea given how fast this tree can be implemented.