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Title: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 22, 2013, 01:11:36 pm
I honestly can't say I care much for multiplayer shooters these days...

(20 seconds later)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-GNest0s8E

If that is what it looks like... Well fuck me ::)


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: terrapinsrock on March 22, 2013, 02:41:37 pm
Trailer is tempting but its made by EA so we'll see


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Baine on March 22, 2013, 02:56:29 pm
You call that a trailer/teaser? I didnt see shit in there.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 22, 2013, 02:58:19 pm
You call that a trailer/teaser? I didnt see shit in there.
Get out.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: brn4meplz on March 22, 2013, 03:23:05 pm
It was a pretty bad trailer. I don't know why they didn't just hold off until the 27th, I mean it's what? 5 days away?


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 22, 2013, 03:30:17 pm
HEY GUISE WE MAKING BF3. BUT WE GOT SHIPS THIS TIME!


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 22, 2013, 05:18:30 pm
It was a pretty bad trailer. I don't know why they didn't just hold off until the 27th, I mean it's what? 5 days away?
I couldn't have said it better myself.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 22, 2013, 05:47:05 pm
Hey! Don't diss the ships! Being able to drive Ships and Submarines in Battlefield 1942 was awesome!

No, just no.
Ive been on too many ships to allow you to say that.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: terrapinsrock on March 22, 2013, 06:12:05 pm
No, just no.
Ive been on too many ships to allow you to say that.

Wait there's a way off that rock?

WE NEED A QUARANTINE


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 22, 2013, 06:24:42 pm
Wait there's a way off that rock?

WE NEED A QUARANTINE
We even tamed out Giant Birds to fly us to Canada.
Also we made a volcano powered Bobcat to build everything with.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: XIIcorps on March 23, 2013, 12:29:01 am
Trailer is tempting but its made by EA so we'll see
This and only THIS!


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Unkn0wn on March 23, 2013, 02:28:24 am
I stopped caring about BF after the second one. Now it just feels like COD with some vehicles and classed slapped on it.

Wish they'd just remake bf1942 with this engine, all these modern shooters have gotten so dull. There's a serious lack of good, recent WW2 shooters :(


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: NightRain on March 23, 2013, 02:50:44 am
ArmA 2 and 1944 mod.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: PonySlaystation on March 23, 2013, 03:07:54 am
Red Orchestra 2 is a very good WW2 shooter once you download some additional maps.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 23, 2013, 03:21:37 am
And a few of the official maps are great too for RO2


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Hicks58 on March 23, 2013, 07:30:17 am
Darkest Hour mod for Red Orchestra 1 was full of epic and win. Shame it's pretty much dead though.

Red Orchestra 2 is definitely a great game though. Mechanically speaking I preferred the first, but the second is up to date and well populated.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: terrapinsrock on March 23, 2013, 12:17:51 pm
Yea RO 1 was an awesome game

Darkest Hour 1944 was easily one of the best mods ever made (apart from EIRR) and Mare Nostrum wasn't bad either


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Unkn0wn on March 23, 2013, 12:37:07 pm
I tried RO 2 on a free weekend once, didn't like it to be honest. Didn't look all that much better than the first and I never really liked infantry combat in RO in general due to how robotic it all feels. (Yes, it's supposedly 'more realistic' than the movement in games like BF1942, Day of Defeat and whatnot but I really can't enjoy it) Same with ARMA pretty much, only reason why I have it is for day Z which is amazing.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: PonySlaystation on March 23, 2013, 03:14:40 pm
bf1942 is just run and gun with ww2 weapons.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 23, 2013, 03:17:12 pm
Y'all looking at games with nostalgia glasses...


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 23, 2013, 03:38:58 pm
Tbh Forgetten hope 2 for BF2 is the only good ww2 BF game as even tough 1942 was good its still aged for the worse.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: skaffa on March 23, 2013, 03:57:19 pm
To get good M1 Garand action I play BC2 with it, its awsm 6k kills what up.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Heartmann on March 23, 2013, 08:53:12 pm
I thorughly enjoyed bf 1942 was in a clan and personally loved he dog fights^^


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Poppi on March 25, 2013, 01:48:52 am
Y'all looking at games with nostalgia glasses...
some times i agree people do that.
but it is really sad when you play a game thats about 15+ years old and it out performs modern day gaming in every aspect (except graphics) and it was done on about 1/100 the power.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 25, 2013, 02:02:07 am
Y'all looking at games with nostalgia glasses...

pfft, nostalgia glasses is a term used by gamers who like games because of graphics and care little about gameplay.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: brn4meplz on March 25, 2013, 08:28:32 am
You know what Never has Nostalgia glasses?

X-Com: Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense(Depending on geographical position it has a different name)
(I'm talking the 1994 one for anyone that's confused.)

I Still play that on a quarterly basis, and it never gets old, never gets dull.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 25, 2013, 10:14:38 am
It is not a very long stretch to say that as experience and knowledge accumulates games on average gets better. Some games age well and are better than most modern games, yet others do not age well and those fond memories that you have of them just doesn't match up with what you experience when you play them again...

And if I care so much about graphics and so little then how come I enjoy playing Dwarf Fortress and Close Combat? What a mystery that must be.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 25, 2013, 10:16:57 am
Dwarf Fortress

Fuck yea.


We need to actually do this this (http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=20218.0) for once tbh.
OMG did one and i honestly think that if we wont let that one die we can make an awesome fort.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: aeroblade56 on March 25, 2013, 12:02:11 pm
Age of mythology and Black and white 2.


Good times good times


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 25, 2013, 12:08:30 pm
Black and white 2.

Too bad OGaM (http://www.moddb.com/mods/of-gods-and-mortals) never finished the multiplayer due to net code problems that could only be fixed by Lionhead studios.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Scotzmen on March 26, 2013, 11:58:43 pm
If you haven't watched the trailer of it yet. Don't. Save yourself the disappointment.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 27, 2013, 12:57:07 am
i should have listened


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Poppi on March 27, 2013, 03:13:28 am
You know what Never has Nostalgia glasses?

X-Com: Enemy Unknown/UFO Defense(Depending on geographical position it has a different name)
(I'm talking the 1994 one for anyone that's confused.)

I Still play that on a quarterly basis, and it never gets old, never gets dull.

 Hidden and Dangerous 2 best Military Shooter still (2001)
and Master of Magic best something something turn based game still (1992)
Possibly AoW:SM trumps MoM. I like both


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Baine on March 27, 2013, 05:42:34 am
There you go, thats more of a trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U8HVQXkeU8U


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Unkn0wn on March 27, 2013, 07:31:58 am
Looks like BF3 to me

Same engine, same boring 'modern' conflict, some new vehicles and perhaps ships and there you go, new sequel.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: terrapinsrock on March 27, 2013, 08:12:39 am
Looks like BF3 to me

Same engine, same boring 'modern' conflict, some new vehicles and perhaps ships and there you go, new sequel.

and the ships are probably a day zero $15 DLC pack


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: brn4meplz on March 27, 2013, 08:28:35 am
That character is carrying a Rifle, a Shotgun, a(very large) Grenade Launcher, and enough ammo to not care what he shoots at


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Baine on March 27, 2013, 08:38:13 am
That character is carrying a Rifle, a Shotgun, a(very large) Grenade Launcher, and enough ammo to not care what he shoots at

Modern GI Joe, problem?


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Tymathee on March 27, 2013, 10:45:31 am
didn't get BF3, probably wont get this one.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Jodomar on March 27, 2013, 11:31:45 am
I didn't think the trailer looked bad, new engine makes things look pretty. I was thinking the same thing about him carrying three weapons though lol. I might pick it up, if it truly has large maps and naval combat.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: NightRain on March 27, 2013, 12:19:21 pm
I can tell exactly what this will be.

We will have huge landships as someone finds a way to drive the ship on land. Then we will have bugging ragdolls, massive graphical glitches, very lame story.

Also someone already mentioned, naval warfare will be a DLC and it will be a very shitty one at it too.

This is a big shitty DLC with a full game + extra pricetag which will have same shit as BF3 with a new ribbon on each gun. Well done to those who preordered it.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Tymathee on March 27, 2013, 01:25:37 pm
I'm not picking up another battlefield unless it's cheaper than $20, bad company 3 or battlefield 194X

the reasons being...i dont think bf2 or bf3 for that matter is worth more than $20, especially with all the x-packs

bad company 2 is one of my favorite games of all time

and battlefield 1942 was epic nostalgia but more battlefield in WWII with ships and prop planes n stuff :drool:


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: AmPM on March 27, 2013, 01:41:01 pm
I can tell exactly what this will be.

We will have huge landships as someone finds a way to drive the ship on land. Then we will have bugging ragdolls, massive graphical glitches, very lame story.

Also someone already mentioned, naval warfare will be a DLC and it will be a very shitty one at it too.

This is a big shitty DLC with a full game + extra pricetag which will have same shit as BF3 with a new ribbon on each gun. Well done to those who preordered it.

Wait, these games have a single player story mode? lol, I don't think I've played single player in a long time. I might look at it if they provide something new. But most modern games are just bad. I have a buddy that is a manager at EA (was Bioware) and we agree that most anything that comes out is mediocre at best.

Right now, I'll stick to War Thunder and indy games.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 27, 2013, 02:07:50 pm
I'm not picking up another battlefield unless it's cheaper than $20, bad company 3 or battlefield 194X

the reasons being...i dont think bf2 or bf3 for that matter is worth more than $20, especially with all the x-packs

Wait...you know that there's a thing called inflation right?


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: NightRain on March 27, 2013, 04:00:18 pm
If it indeed DOES have a single player mode that video showed what it will be. 3 weapons, one man army, undying team mates, mindless enemies that just runs toward you and shoots you with underpowered weapons not even making a challenge, they are just there to give player something to do aside of watching the story unfold. Story which is most likely not even a good one. Plus the story is most likely the same shit, running in a tube with all restrictions. It will be like any modern shooter story. Same shit bla bla bla enemy this, enemy that, America saves the day crap which we get every six months or so, it is funny once, it gets old very quickly.

I still stand behind my words.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: XIIcorps on March 27, 2013, 04:09:52 pm
Just once I'd like to see a game where Straya saves the day.

But no its always rushins are bad and mericans are good.

What about the other 180 odd cuntries around the wurld.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Tymathee on March 27, 2013, 04:25:00 pm
Just once I'd like to see a game where Straya saves the day.

But no its always rushins are bad and mericans are good.

What about the other 180 odd cuntries around the wurld.

Ruskies are bad...they have Putin as President.

Can't do China, too much money.
Korea may nuke us.
Don't want to upset Europe.

No one knows where anything else is.



Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: NightRain on March 27, 2013, 04:28:37 pm
Hell for all I care

When in game industry you try to make stuff that sells. In USA with stereotypes being the strongest it is always like this: Anything related to red = Communist They are the enemy. Everything else Hurray American.

Gaming industry should try to make games about Vietnam. Sure Americans won every single fight there, but all the things that went down there, player watching as american soldiers shooting civilians down and executing them. Playing as a good guy only to see how much of a good guy you really are.

In a sense playing Russian made games is more interesting. Sure BIAS in Russian side but it is a nice change from the usual.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 27, 2013, 04:48:28 pm
If I didn't know that the trailer is supposed to be about the next battlefield game I would have thought it was a CoD trailer.

Pretty much indistinguishable now...


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: omgNiko on March 27, 2013, 06:00:23 pm
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Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Poppi on March 27, 2013, 08:14:03 pm

America did not win every battle, they kinda won every major battle, but not every single fight.

i kind of over compensate the argument that american soldiers won the war the the politicians lost it. I was a soldier in Iraq, and we pretty much dominated the fuck out of anyone who shot at us. But the news and through the eyes of the rest of the world, we werent doing so good. And some of the other countries hated us, even though the guys i served with were some of the best people the human race has to offer. But Just like in Vietnam US soldiers did their job and did it with amazing results. Being constantly outnumbered 3:1 is no biggie for us. Just sucks after all that hard work and "winning" it could be considered a loss. It really comes down to what you consider a win and a loss. Especially when there are no longer lines to define what is allied and what is enemy.

Oh ya BF4 looks like BF 3.5


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 27, 2013, 10:04:26 pm
. But Just like in Vietnam US soldiers did their job and did it with amazing results. Being constantly outnumbered 3:1 is no biggie for us.

Oh yeah almost like you didn't have South Vietnam, South Korea,Australia,New Zealand, Thailand ,Cambodia, Khmer Republic and the Kingdom of Laos fighting by the US' side.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Killer344 on March 27, 2013, 10:48:07 pm
And some of the other countries hated us, even though the guys i served with were some of the best people the human race has to offer.

lulz


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 28, 2013, 12:11:53 am
And some of the other countries hated us, even though the guys i served with were some of the best people the human race has to offer.

Might have had to do with some of those friendly fire incidents. Not sure, but bombing some guys might not be the best way to go about making friends.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Unkn0wn on March 28, 2013, 12:28:57 am
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Might have had to do with some of those friendly fire incidents. Not sure, but bombing some guys might not be the best way to go about making friends.
I would think invading a random country under the false pretence of nuclear weapons is somewhere up that 'how to make other people hate us' list too...

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Ruskies are bad...they have Putin as President.
Didn't know that having a dickhead president makes your entire country evil to be honest. I'm sure you guys can relate with G.W. Bush.

Americans are always the side you play in these videogames because they're made by million dollar American gaming studios, it's that simple really. And plenty of games have China as the bad guys too, it's just a game so I'm pretty sure it's not going to piss anyone off... it's usually Russia, China and/or some Middle Eastern Coalition. Pretty boring indeed.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 28, 2013, 02:55:31 am
Well SOMEONE has to be the enemy and there really aren't that many contenders on the world stage, especially since all NATO nations are ruled out.

Would you prefer to be fighting Swedes invading all their neighbors, trying to restore their long lost empire?


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 28, 2013, 03:11:25 am
Would you prefer to be fighting Swedes invading all their neighbors, trying to restore their long lost empire?
There is an alternate WWII story to be told here, lol.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: PonySlaystation on March 28, 2013, 07:34:06 am
I would think invading a random country under the false pretense of nuclear weapons is somewhere up that 'how to make other people hate us' list too...

Yes, I'm sure that was the only reason.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: AmPM on March 28, 2013, 07:36:10 am
Unknown is from Belgium, he gets involved in politics because his country isn't real and doesn't matter.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 28, 2013, 07:48:06 am
I want to fight Iceland! They only have a poulation of 1 :P

Poor forever alone IcelandicManiac vs the world.

BRING IT ON!!


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: AmPM on March 28, 2013, 07:51:43 am
Seriously though, only so many contenders on the world stage, and the Eurozone is unlikely to go to war with anything for any reason. I suppose you could play as the French vs some African rebels....

Or Mexicans vs the Cartels...

Or China or Russia vs it's own citizens.

Could go back in time, Battlefield: 1066.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: brn4meplz on March 28, 2013, 08:05:26 am
India Vs Pakistan.

Problem solved


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Unkn0wn on March 28, 2013, 09:18:58 am
Yes, I'm sure that was the only reason.

You seem to misunderstand what false pretense means. I didn't point to a single reason, so it makes no sense for you to even refer to a reason.
There's a handful of reasons why the US invaded Iraq, I was simply pointing out that nuclear weapons and freeing the Iraqi people aren't among those reasons. Which is to say that the US isn't all 'good guy' when it comes to world politics, despite what popular media and the entertainment industry will have you believe.

And yes, I'm well aware that there's not a plethora of contenders when it comes to bad guys in global conflicts, but my real point really was that the modern conflict setup has gotten pretty boring by now. Not to mention that they could at the very least mix up the scenery a little. Fighting in Karkand 5588412 or chinese valley 5478 gets boring pretty quickly.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Hicks58 on March 28, 2013, 10:08:28 am
I'd quite like to fight on home turf. Go prowling through the streets of London, Manchester or some other UK City would be fun. It'd also be fun to actually fight against a technological equal - Russians and Chinese are always portrayed as having decent, but decisively lower tech than either US, UK or EU forces and it gets kinda old.

Make some bad guys in some of the supposed "Good countries". Say, America loses it's shit for a seemingly legit reason and the EU steps up. Challengers and Leopards having to square off vs Abrams would be interesting. Now throw in some questionable reasons to just confuse the fuck out who is actually supposed to be the good guy and voila.

Shit, could even get the Ruskies to join in with the EU after some persuasion and be "Good guys" too.

Just do something fresh! Something interesting!


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 28, 2013, 10:28:37 am
Make some bad guys in some of the supposed "Good countries". Say, America loses it's shit for a seemingly legit reason and the EU steps up. Challengers and Leopards having to square off vs Abrams would be interesting. Now throw in some questionable reasons to just confuse the fuck out who is actually supposed to be the good guy and voila.
Tbh, not that much of a stretch  ::)


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 28, 2013, 10:38:37 am
I'd quite like to fight on home turf. Go prowling through the streets of London, Manchester or some other UK City would be fun. It'd also be fun to actually fight against a technological equal - Russians and Chinese are always portrayed as having decent, but decisively lower tech than either US, UK or EU forces and it gets kinda old.

Make some bad guys in some of the supposed "Good countries". Say, America loses it's shit for a seemingly legit reason and the EU steps up. Challengers and Leopards having to square off vs Abrams would be interesting. Now throw in some questionable reasons to just confuse the fuck out who is actually supposed to be the good guy and voila.

Shit, could even get the Ruskies to join in with the EU after some persuasion and be "Good guys" too.

Just do something fresh! Something interesting!

For several reasons that will never happen, ever, in a game published by a big company.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 28, 2013, 10:53:52 am
For several reasons that will never happen, ever, in a game published by a big company.

those reasons are becoming less and less potent. Its the same reason why companies are starting to fire the old CEO's who stood by those reasons.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 28, 2013, 04:58:08 pm
And in the end that would not really matter as last time I checked, the US has more carriers than the rest of the world combined and an airfleet that would put the rest of NATO to shame.

Overcompensation much? Yeah, but the real threat to MBT's has never been other MBT's but I believe it's been established that if you establish air superiority, MBT's are pretty fucked. While you can still have heavy SAM networks for devensive coverage, if your enemy has air superiorty your MBT's are not going to be worth much on the offensive, be they Chally's, Abrams or T90's


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: AmPM on March 28, 2013, 05:42:10 pm
Yes, because we totally miss those other targets.

Seriously, we have weapons that can eliminate a tank battalion in one conventional missle...

Though I would be curious to see how that scenario works out with the EU/NATO/China/Russia trying to cross the ocean to the USA in the first place. Talk about a futile attempt.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 28, 2013, 08:32:10 pm
^ your forgetting that they have so much air cos they mostly just bomb themselves, so need lots to try and make some bombs hit the other side and deal more casualties than they inflict on themselves.

A massive Air Force isn't good when it mostly attacks yourself :P
What kind of evidence exist that we bomb ourselves more then the enemy? US air support isn't inaccurate with the information that they recieve. And im not trying to say that other nations air support isn't.

No it wouldn't, it would be GG in tank engagements involving the Challenger 2. The Abrams will fail to penetrate cos of the awesome armour, and the Challenger 2's would blow them away.

To put it in perspective, an Abrams can be penetrated by a single close range RPG (unless armour grating is put on), whereas a Challenger 2 has taken 70 close range RPG's before, and then the insurgents just gave up. The only Challenger 2 ever taken out of action was from a freindly she'll hitting the open commanders hatch and killing the crew, the tank survived though.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt a challenger get raped in the front by a RPG 29?


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: NightRain on March 28, 2013, 11:12:09 pm
They should make a game about West Germany versus East Germany and have a corrupted USA General be the cause of the conflict.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Jodomar on March 28, 2013, 11:27:23 pm
Abrams on the same playing field with the Challenger. Plus, Abrams has taken 70 rounds of rpg's to it's face as well. The Abrams actually has a better haul for taking shots in the face then the challenger does but the challenger has better side protection. This was changed up by the TUSK upgrades the Abrams has received which the challenger apparently can not fit. Both are good tanks and were made under separate requirements. Also don't forget the Abrams is linked with all other combat units in the field including Air Support. Not sure if the challenger has that or not as I didn't read into that much.

Now you could do another American Civil War, that would be interesting. What about Germany getting tired of bailing out other countries to decides to take them over instead. Both Interesting options that I wouldn't mind seeing. Really you can only have a set amount of countries to work with to make things plausible. Let's be honest her Somalia taken over the world just wouldn't make any sense, so we are stuck with playing the same countries/factions against one another.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 29, 2013, 03:27:38 am
They should make a game about West Germany versus East Germany and have a corrupted USA General be the cause of the conflict.
Wargame, European Escalation?


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 29, 2013, 04:26:42 am
afaik a challanger 2 and an abrams have never faced off against each other.

What is there to say that they both can't penetrate each others armor?

And as for USA facing off against well, anyone, let me demonstrate with this graph that shows US military expenditure vs the military expenditure of the rest of the world:

(http://www.quantitativepeace.com/.a/6a00e5520d04b888340134852a198f970c-800wi)


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: AmPM on March 29, 2013, 07:43:16 am
Lets pull this back to realism.

The Challenger would be dead before the Abrams ever caught sight of it, by a missile launched from a plane or drone that isn't showing up on radar and is far enough away that they can't hear it.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: brn4meplz on March 29, 2013, 08:13:25 am
The good thing about bringing other stuff into the equation in theory fights is that other nations have Anti Missile systems or ERA.

Also they British super tech where they send an SAS team back in time to kill AmPm's mother so he can't bring other shit into this theoretical equation on this day.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 29, 2013, 08:54:57 am
Pfft, you're both talking about the Challenger 1 which was the same as the Abrams in every aspect (both had Chobham armour), except that the Challenger had a bigger gun, and the Abrams more horsepower, but the same speed (Don't get any ideas about copying, the Challenger came first).

Now, the Challenger 2 is 95% different to the Challenger 1. The biggest difference is that it has Chobham Dorchester Level 2 armour (while the Abrams has just resorted to putting on depleted uranium plates, though it does have a gun of equal size now). Basically the Challenger 2 has the edge in a fight due to it's superior armour, sure the Abrams has extra plating, but they only cover the weak sides and rear, the front is less defended than the Challenger 2 now, and the Challenger 2 doesn't need the extra plating as it has more side and rear armour than the Abrams.

Not really, both the Challenger 1 and Abrams have about the same weight, length, width, height, armour, and speed, also they look very similar (again, no funny ideas about copying, the Challenger 1 came first). So I'd say the requirements were the same.

Also, despite the Challemger 2 having 95% different parts to the Challenger 1, it's still nearly the same in all stats, it just has even better armour. So in a fight the Challenger 1 would be an equal fair fight, but the Challenger 2 would have the edge due to better armour.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1551418/MoD-kept-failure-of-best-tank-quiet.html

Alot of people say that challenger 2 does have a little bit better armour. But you fail to see that in theory the updated rounds that the abrams shoots excedes the protection of a challenger as long as its not shot in the turret and from a angle. And vice versa for the challenger.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 29, 2013, 09:11:55 am
No it wouldn't, it would be GG in tank engagements involving the Challenger 2. The Abrams will fail to penetrate cos of the awesome armour, and the Challenger 2's would blow them away.
::)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1551418/MoD-kept-failure-of-best-tank-quiet.html
You also did look at this right.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: NightRain on March 29, 2013, 09:16:23 am
Wargame, European Escalation?

Why not? Wargame did have a good idea as a conflict. West vs East Germany and it was a new idea in a sense. Two same nations fist fighting with one another while recieving support from outter world.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 29, 2013, 09:17:28 am
Why not? Wargame did have a good idea as a conflict. West vs East Germany and it was a new idea in a sense. Two same nations fist fighting with one another while recieving support from outter world.
Yup, that game was pretty much goty for me and given the look of ALB... Well, CoH2 will have to put up a big show is all I'm saying.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: AmPM on March 29, 2013, 09:35:54 am
Ummm...thats a shaped charge, range doesn't matter other than to hit the target...you could place it on the hull and detonate it with the same or better result.



Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 29, 2013, 09:51:17 am
Yes, but that was a close range rpg? Tank fights tend to happen at longer ranges?
Before you said that the challenger was never penetrated by a RPG. I was providing proof that it indeed was. And keep in mind that kinetic rounds are always more effective against modern tanks.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 29, 2013, 10:22:00 am
Yes, but that was a close range rpg? Tank fights tend to happen at longer ranges?
"Close range RPG", hoooo boooy


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 29, 2013, 11:08:25 am
Tig, stop dodging your mistaaaaake  ;D


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: DarkSoldierX on March 29, 2013, 11:37:29 am
Kinetic and HEAT rounds are less effective vs Ceramic Armour btw.
Your missing the point, Kinetic has always been more effective then chemical energy. Probably because ERA is less effective against KE in the first place.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: brn4meplz on March 29, 2013, 02:09:08 pm
Theres also a report of a Challenger 2 taking a MILAN ATGM and not caring.

Wikipedia also lists one taking 70RPG's.

Which is fairly common for a Modern MBT considering alot of the older model RPG's were never meant to penetrate super modern tanks


Even with all that Said

2A6 takes it all. Consistently voted the best tank in the world by impartial sources.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: NightRain on March 29, 2013, 02:34:39 pm
Who cares what country has the best tank around? Most likely none of them will face one another in a battlefield thus we can only stare at statistics and throw things at one another. None of us is a military expert nor a person who belonged to a team which designed a modern MBT.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Hicks58 on March 29, 2013, 02:36:44 pm
Quote
Similar to every British tank since the Centurion, and most other British AFVs, Challenger 2 contains a boiling vessel (BV) also known as a kettle or bivvie for water which can be used to brew tea, produce other hot beverages and heat boil-in-the-bag meals contained in ration packs.[9] This BV requirement is general for armoured vehicles of the British Armed Forces, and is unique to the armed forces of the UK.

Trust us to make it an industrial standard in our tanks to have a kettle on board rofl.



Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 29, 2013, 02:52:15 pm
If you want the likeliest reason the Leo2 wins?

With tanks of such similar combat capability, the Leo2a6 is quite a sum cheaper to build compared to the chally and abrams, unless I'm mistaken. When the tank is very on par with the other two, it wins on the merit of getting 6 compared to 5 of the other two.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 29, 2013, 03:27:05 pm
Cos this is the internet and we have nothing better to do? Specially me who will say some things, find out I'm not completely correct, then just change my argument cos it's stupid to argue for something which is wrong, but my argument still holds some truth, so it's fine to argue on that (even though people for some reason think it's bad to change your argument, yet also think it's bad to fight on something wrong, and as such believe you should accept defeat when something is slightly wrong even though it's perfectly reasonable to just accept the wrong bit and cut it from your argument and argue your point from a better position. Cos you know, who finds out all their facts the first time they do something?). Anyway, i now know the fight will be a lot closer than previously thought, and it would be kinda fair, though the Challenger 2 will just have an edge.

Your opinions and sentiments should stem from facts and reality, not the other way around.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Killer344 on March 29, 2013, 04:28:22 pm
Trust us to make it an industrial standard in our tanks to have a kettle on board rofl.



lmfao


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 29, 2013, 04:32:29 pm
Yes and that's why my opinions change as what i know changes?

Problem is you keep stating loose facts you don't know for sure with almost religious fervor, it reads very poorly.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 29, 2013, 06:56:48 pm
show boobs and we will forgive you


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Killer344 on March 29, 2013, 08:40:24 pm
Butt pics should be enough as well.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: EliteGren on March 29, 2013, 10:16:06 pm
Butt pics should be enough as well.

+1

I enjoy large posteriors and I am unable to deceive


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: brn4meplz on March 29, 2013, 10:56:24 pm
Lets ends this here before it becomes a rape case.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 30, 2013, 02:38:36 am
You can't rape the willing!


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 30, 2013, 03:40:59 am
+1

I enjoy large posteriors and I am unable to deceive

amen brother


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 30, 2013, 06:03:59 am
You can't rape the willing!

Nice to know.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 30, 2013, 06:37:34 am
Nice to know.
Something wrong with what I said? I mean, it really is quite impossible.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 30, 2013, 06:41:11 am
It just reminds me of "it aint rape if she cant say no" but no, what you wrote is quite correct.
only mildly pervy but oh well, you know all about that.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Jodomar on March 30, 2013, 10:51:58 am
No just really means yes!


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: 8thRifleRegiment on March 30, 2013, 11:52:02 am
Well an actual opinion on bf4. No reason to buy it really, once again EA just reintroducing old features people have forgotten existsed in previous games, old engine with some new psysics tweaks etc. And once again a weak excuse for a story told by explosions, cheesy dialogue and an awfull hollywood super soldier overview


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: aeroblade56 on March 30, 2013, 03:23:48 pm
Pretty much everything EA has is just like a 60$ update.

EA FIFA 14 with new bullshit engine now with 95% more lies and 33% less skill.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: nikomas on March 30, 2013, 05:27:53 pm
It just reminds me of "it aint rape if she cant say no" but no, what you wrote is quite correct.
only mildly pervy but oh well, you know all about that.
Well, there is a slight legal difference between "she said she wanted it" and "I was sure she wanted it!", lol


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: aeroblade56 on March 30, 2013, 08:48:16 pm
No there isn't, just like there is no difference at all between you all loving Halo cos i say so, and you all willingly loving Halo.

Huge deffirence.

One is verbal concent by a female saying she did infact want the D.

One is the assumption by the male that could have no concent whatsoever with the female.

at least i think that is what is being said?

that's like saying cocoa and coacao are the same.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Scotzmen on March 30, 2013, 09:47:21 pm
+1

I enjoy large posteriors and I am unable to deceive

(http://www.damnlol.com/pics/843/9761f24749f47f4ff8288cb6fb809a55.gif)


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Tymathee on March 30, 2013, 10:34:38 pm
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/31035684.jpg)


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Spartan_Marine88 on March 30, 2013, 10:42:57 pm
I say tigs booty is always on topic.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Scotzmen on March 31, 2013, 12:23:12 am
I say tigs booty is always on topic.

Sweet jesus..... i up this post!


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: terrapinsrock on March 31, 2013, 12:24:44 am
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/32682096.jpg)


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: EliteGren on March 31, 2013, 12:31:36 am
I say tigs booty is always on topic.

sigged


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: tank130 on March 31, 2013, 08:55:36 am
I like the attention, but this is just getting too creepy XD

It's not really creepy until I show up.............


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: TheIcelandicManiac on March 31, 2013, 09:04:55 am
9 Pages of offtopic?
Good job men, im quite sure keeps is proud of your progress.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Sachaztan on March 31, 2013, 09:41:06 am
I say tigs booty is always on topic.

This thread just keeps on getting better and better.


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Baine on March 31, 2013, 11:08:15 am
sigged

Wow, i like the Saving Private Ryan movie in your sig, reminds me a bit of star wars - http://www.youtube.com/watc


Title: Re: Battlefield 4
Post by: Heartmann on April 15, 2013, 03:52:43 am
It's not really creepy until I show up.............

^
This

So sigged! xD