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Title: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: EIRRMod on May 27, 2014, 02:08:22 pm
So, do we want a war reset?

I will probably lower the max/ starting defence for sectors as well, to probably half.

Regards
-EIRRMod


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Shabtajus on May 27, 2014, 02:17:16 pm
So it will be just warmap reset or also reseting companies?


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: EIRRMod on May 27, 2014, 02:27:44 pm
So it will be just warmap reset or also reseting companies?
As the poll states, only gold would remain.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: nikomas on May 27, 2014, 02:28:49 pm
If there's a poll, I can't see it... So all the cards to huh?


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Hicks58 on May 27, 2014, 02:33:50 pm
Would be neat for the cards to go. I'd argue the gold should go too, but I'm sure some people would be up in arms if everything went poof.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: nikomas on May 27, 2014, 02:36:03 pm
tbfh it'd be a bit fucked if cards went but gold stayed, what, never heard of savings in assets?  ;)


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Hicks58 on May 27, 2014, 02:43:59 pm
2 Pages of reward units for me per side atm, but I'd rather see a fully clean slate than stare at a collection.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Smokaz on May 27, 2014, 02:44:25 pm
Quick ! sell all your cards!


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Shabtajus on May 27, 2014, 02:45:48 pm
Savings... What is this a fucking bank or video game lol

I see reset can be done in two ways:
1. Reseting only warmap and leaving gold/reward units.
2.  Reseting everything

What is the point leave gold so had a chance to buy reward units and inmeantime youareremoving them


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Hicks58 on May 27, 2014, 02:48:05 pm
Yeah, that's why I'd say remove everything. Cards, Companies, Currency.

It wouldn't be much of a reset if somebody with 10k gold went and mass brought a crap ton of gold/silver card packs and got back all the reward units they had in the first place.

Even worse is that they'd have a starting game advantage over people who actually used their funds.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Smokaz on May 27, 2014, 02:52:41 pm
The boosters are hardly a reliable method of gaining anything specific.

Unless some crooked eirr player has saved a million dogebucks for this reset


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Shabtajus on May 27, 2014, 02:57:17 pm
The boosters are hardly a reliable method of gaining anything specific.

Unless some crooked eirr player has saved a million dogebucks for this reset

I heard 1 dutch guy has 57k + gold and like 14 full pages of reward units


What a jew. Light a torch people its time to burn rich moth*r f**kers lol


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Smokaz on May 27, 2014, 03:05:11 pm
Shab, back in your cage, no double posts and no hating on jews.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: EIRRMod on May 27, 2014, 03:09:54 pm
Well, as shab said - gold/cards remain is also an option, but Id prefer people to sell off their cards, keep the gold, and then have a new market tbfh.

Can noone see the poll?  (Thats odd....)


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Hicks58 on May 27, 2014, 03:10:50 pm
Goes to edit his post, quotes it. Well played Shab.

You won't gain anything specific Smokaz, but if somebody has 5-10k gold (Which is plausible, I've got 2.5k stored and I've been spending mine fairly often) then they can get 10-20 gold packs, not counting the warmap specific cards you can sell back to get 50-60% of the pack's worth back depending on how many units you get which would probably make it closer to 14-28 packs.

That's what, 70 - 140 individual opportunities for high grade units (These are gold packs after all, just double the chances for silver packs) from the onset of the war? I'd say there's a pretty fair chance there would be something useful there.

That's just a rough estimate, and a fairly conservative one as I imagine that there are people with more than that saved up.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Shabtajus on May 27, 2014, 03:15:49 pm
Still sound unfair EirrMod. I see what you want is having active market. No gold-no market. But i doubt ppl will start buying packs to get rew units that later sell in market. Packs r too risky and only ppl who will win here are gold campers


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: tank130 on May 27, 2014, 03:34:53 pm
I would prefer to see a complete wipe of everything and increase the rareness of reward units. The things are handed out like candy from the back of my van ffs.

BTW - I have 3,958 gold and 5 pages of cards that I could sell off to increase that gold. A wipe that retains the gold can create a massive unfair advantage.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: PonySlaystation on May 27, 2014, 03:35:59 pm
No company resets, they only make you have to rebuild companies and lose vet, if people want new strats or companies they are free to build those at any time, don't need any resets for that. Warmap should reward  players for participating, not  punish them like it has been with all these resets. What is the point of having a persistence mod if there are resets all the time??

Now that vet is finally reasonable and not ridiculously difficult to attain there is actually a point to try to vet up units, if you reset everyone will lose their progress, how is that fun for anyone? In a a balanced game with persistence, there should not be any resets. It would be like me playing war thunder and finally getting a Tiger tank and then, UH OH, reset, you lose everything. Or going through 12 years of school and then UH OH, reset, you have to go back to kindergarten.

The idea that you need company resets to have fresh gameplay is  ridiculous because players are always creating new companies and the metagame is constantly changing in favor of different strategies. The only thing that a company reset does is remove any sense of persistancy and vet meaning everyone will build suicide and spam companies, that's not more fun, definitely not a step forward in any sense of progress. The only reason that it brings back players is because wipes are scheduled with big updates that promise new features, units or doctrines or better balance.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: skaffa on May 27, 2014, 05:52:08 pm
No reset imo.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Mister Schmidt on May 27, 2014, 06:04:18 pm
Can you all see the poll now?


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: XIIcorps on May 27, 2014, 06:12:40 pm
No Schmidt.


If your doing a complete reset does this mean were going back to having to earn pps for our doctrines.

Or is this reset soley for the tourney/patch.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: nikomas on May 27, 2014, 06:25:04 pm
It means the warmap will be reset and all sides will be back to no PP's.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: ick312 on May 27, 2014, 06:49:09 pm
I would prefer to see a complete wipe of everything and increase the rareness of reward units. The things are handed out like candy from the back of my van ffs.

BTW - I have 3,958 gold and 5 pages of cards that I could sell off to increase that gold. A wipe that retains the gold can create a massive unfair advantage.

listen to the men!


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: I2ay on May 27, 2014, 07:48:04 pm
Get rid of everything. We should all be left with no companies, no cards, and no gold.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: EIRRMod on May 27, 2014, 10:36:18 pm
No company resets, they only make you have to rebuild companies and lose vet, if people want new strats or companies they are free to build those at any time, don't need any resets for that. Warmap should reward  players for participating, not  punish them like it has been with all these resets. What is the point of having a persistence mod if there are resets all the time??
Bolded for emphasis.

By 'All the time' I assume you mean almost YEARLY....
The warmap is meant to cycle every 2-6 months naturally, when a 'winning' faction is triggered.

The persistance part of this mod is on a game-to-game basis, not 'persists forever'.  This isnt a MMO.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: EIRRMod on May 27, 2014, 10:37:46 pm
I would prefer to see a complete wipe of everything and increase the rareness of reward units. The things are handed out like candy from the back of my van ffs.
Yeah, this will probably be what happens.

With such a small pool of cards (Anything thats not a warmap card is a reward card) is that the rarity spikes still with reward units, but they'll still be lowered.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: PonySlaystation on May 27, 2014, 10:58:31 pm
A couple of suggestions for the warmap:

- Remove the warmap point it costs to activate warmap cards as it makes common cards useless.
- Increase chances of ME when no one is attacking.
- Introduce rewards for capturing territory on the warmap so attacking becomes worthwhile (for example: axis have captured paris: all axis combatants get 10 captured shermans) ^^


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: EIRRMod on May 27, 2014, 11:08:32 pm
A couple of suggestions for the warmap:

- Remove the warmap point it costs to activate warmap cards as it makes common cards useless.
Good idea, Ill put that one in.

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- Increase chances of ME when no one is attacking.
And replace with a higher chance of R+?  ATM it would be 50/50 if noone is Att/Def

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- Introduce rewards for capturing territory on the warmap so attacking becomes worthwhile (for example: axis have captured paris: all axis combatants get 10 captured shermans) ^^
While a good idea, its not implementable on our current launcher unfortunately :/
You suggestion is quite similar to something tank130 has suggested, and will probably be introduced for our next iteration.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: NightRain on May 27, 2014, 11:10:01 pm
At the start of Warmap each player gets 1 Action point come on seriously with the 1 Action point player can either move forward or change his resources. It'd be better that way.

In game allow tanks to self destruct if they lose engine and are basically immobile.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Mysthalin on May 28, 2014, 12:05:55 am
A warmap reset should bring with it a gold reset as well. Anyone who's got over a thousand gold saved up has pretty much already gotten to use at least one reward unit at least once, so it's not like they never got to play with the fun stuff. I personally have quite a bit of gold saved as well, and would be flooding the market with all sorts of uncommons as soon as the reset would happen, as I have the gold to do it via bronze packs in particular.

Don't think anyone wants to fight a 5 jagdpanzer company without even a single pershing to back them up.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: PonySlaystation on May 28, 2014, 12:11:03 am
And replace with a higher chance of R+?  ATM it would be 50/50 if noone is Att/Def

I am not sure what you mean. When everyone is defending there is roughly 90% of R+ which means that nearly all games are played as reinforcement mode and very few as meeting engagement.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: CrazyWR on May 28, 2014, 01:01:57 am
Well since R+ is the best mode, I don't see the problem


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Shabtajus on May 28, 2014, 01:52:32 am
What crazy said


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: tank130 on May 28, 2014, 07:12:36 am
I moved this thread (I guess I still can) cuz I think that is why no one could read the poll. But I could be wrong.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: GrayWolf on May 28, 2014, 08:31:24 am
There could be more scenarios, like king of the hill or special companies for tank combat.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: nikomas on May 28, 2014, 10:56:11 am
And replace with a higher chance of R+?  ATM it would be 50/50 if noone is Att/Def
No everyone is defending, that means it's always 100% chance of R+ and it's incredibly dull... Almost nobody wants to attack because everyone is defending, just one player attacking while the other 5 defend gives it a 75% (or so it seems) chance of allies/axis attack so nobody does it.

If all 6 players are defending, is it possible to give a special clause that makes it a 25% chance of ALL game modes?


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: GrayWolf on May 28, 2014, 11:59:13 am
If all 6 players are defending, is it possible to give a special clause that makes it a 25% chance of ALL game modes?

+1


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Shabtajus on May 28, 2014, 12:07:56 pm
what is this pool?
asking for a reset > leaving a gold...

where is a choice of full reset?


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Smokaz on May 28, 2014, 02:47:24 pm
EIRRMOD if player coordination 3 on same or 6 players on each defending can game the system you need something in place to prevent system being gamed.

Basically, how about "weak chain" and "all agree" policy.

If anyone is not defending, his choice affects the game.

If all are defending, the game mode is randomized with a lower chance of whatever mode is normally most  likely.

Please tell me if you don't understand what I mean, it's maybe not written too clearly.

Something for the new launcher at least :)


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: EIRRMod on May 28, 2014, 06:19:39 pm
I think I will have to do another poll that includes all the variations here.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Shabtajus on June 01, 2014, 04:24:11 am
what about setting up a goals for the next warmap wipe?

etc u can carry on every infantry squad if it reaches 1000xp, 3k xp for tanks n so on. I mean would be nice to have something from previous war. As for incoming wipe i say reset everything gold/units/cards. Everything. But the next time we should make a list of achievements. It will be more interesting to play in warmap knowing that some of your beloved units will have a chance survive even a wipe if you will manage achieve something in goal list


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: XIIcorps on June 01, 2014, 06:10:28 am
what about setting up a goals for the next warmap wipe?

etc u can carry on every infantry squad if it reaches 1000xp, 3k xp for tanks n so on. I mean would be nice to have something from previous war. As for incoming wipe i say reset everything gold/units/cards. Everything. But the next time we should make a list of achievements. It will be more interesting to play in warmap knowing that some of your beloved units will have a chance survive even a wipe if you will manage achieve something in goal list
I not sure your getting the picture shab, its a full wipe.
Not a reset, where you get to carry over your Vet 5 Super Persh.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: rolcsika0128 on June 01, 2014, 02:04:32 pm
I not sure your getting the picture shab, its a full wipe.
Not a reset, where you get to carry over your Vet 5 Super Persh.

Dat reading comprehension...

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Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: XIIcorps on June 01, 2014, 02:55:34 pm
Irregardless of whether he ment this wipe or one a year from now. Carrying over units is bad.
Its on par with the reward/gold situation we are discussi g now


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: GORKHALI on June 01, 2014, 03:51:10 pm
wipe everything , i am broke anyway  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: omgNiko on June 02, 2014, 09:16:39 am
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Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: GrayWolf on June 02, 2014, 01:15:36 pm
Get rid of everything. We should all be left with no companies, no cards, and no gold.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: tank130 on June 02, 2014, 05:06:07 pm



Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: TheWindCriesMary on June 06, 2014, 08:39:09 am
What's the final word on this, is it happening?


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: Mister Schmidt on June 06, 2014, 08:42:42 am
I can't speak for EIRRMod but I think we won't be having a wipe just yet, I believe he wanted to create a new poll with more options, I don't expect one until the next big patch personally.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: PonySlaystation on June 06, 2014, 08:55:06 am
Wipe ASAP, it's what people have been waiting for, if everyone is waiting for a reset that means fewer players in launcher.


Title: Re: War reset at next patch? (June 1st)
Post by: NightRain on June 06, 2014, 09:27:36 am
They aren't waiting for a wipe, they are waiting for a patch with something in it. New content and so forth.