Title: moderators locking posts Post by: Cpt.Mastaajbomb on September 04, 2008, 02:08:36 pm i thought these forums were a place to express your feelings but everytime someone does it either gets locked or deleted. whats the point of having a GENERAL Discussion forum if you are just gonna lock peoples posts?
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: CommanderNewbie on September 04, 2008, 02:09:25 pm Huh? I'm confused as to what you're complaining about, or whether you're just trying to be a dick.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: M4 Sherman on September 04, 2008, 03:08:49 pm What I believe is he's saying that when people are debating over something it gets locked.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Thtb on September 04, 2008, 03:09:38 pm Also noticed the over-locking spree of mods
-I cant have a discussion, i just lock it and have the last word :O Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Kolath on September 04, 2008, 03:10:03 pm As a general rule we do allow for open dialogue so long as it A) Remains civil B) Does not degenerate into spam or flaming C) Does not veer into arguments about race, politics, nationality, religion, or history and D) does not violate the forum rules (such as public attacks on players). In general if we lock a thread, we post the reason in the last post.
If you disagree with any action taken by a moderator, please send a private message to Salan, me, and Akranadas (send to all of us) and we will be happy to try to resolve your issue. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: M4 Sherman on September 04, 2008, 03:15:34 pm ;) Kolath is he man!
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Apex on September 04, 2008, 03:55:49 pm Quote Post Coherently Don't Spam Don't Flame Respect These are the forums rules. For the most part I think EiR forum moderation is done well and is justified. But some moderators are overdoing it way too much. If someone is complaining about a bug abuse, or a drop hack or similar, such threads get locked immediatly, even without flaming. If someone is performing a serious violation of game rules, people have the right to be informed about that and the accused have the right to have a platform where to defend themselves. Threads which only remotely show the physique of the female body (firefox kitten) are titled as porn and are deleted, which is sad. What I dislike the most is that threads about political topics get locked upon creation, just because moderators have the prejudice that all political debates will end in flaming. What is this? The internet is a forum of free expression. I can quote fldash directly upon this. He only wanted posts deleted when they are illegal or pornographic, which is already way more liberal than the current rules. And these are only the foundation of a moderation policy that is even stricter. Putting order into the chaos is necessary, but condemnation upon slighest suspicion is not. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 04, 2008, 03:57:50 pm First off can we have links to the threads in question. Second: the community has proved that it can not have a rational discussion without it turning into a flame fest, therefore any threads that have the hint of anything negative against a person/place/event/thing, should and does get locked because there are a few individuals who have tunnel vision, see something 1 way and then insults everyone else for not agreeing.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 04, 2008, 04:00:47 pm After looking at the front page of general and alpha there are 4 locked threads and 1 was done by the thread creator. So I don't see your point. You can discuss whatever, but if it turns into a flamwar (even if you dont' start it) it gets locked. If you think this is too strict then add forums.relicnews.com to your blocked website list because you'll shit a brick (granted I like the way the relic news forums are run, survival of the fittest tbh, you're an idiot and your gone)
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: M4 Sherman on September 04, 2008, 04:02:16 pm Quote Post Coherently Don't Spam Don't Flame Respect These are the forums rules. But some moderators are not following them, and are overdoing it way too much. If someone is complaining about a bug abuse, or a drop hack or similar, such threads get locked immediatly, even without flaming. If someone is performing a serious violation of game rules, people have the right to be informed about that and the accused have the right to have a platform where to defend themselves. Threads which only remotely show the physique of the female body (firefox kitten) are titled as porn and are deleted, which is sad. What I dislike the most is that threads about political topics get locked upon creation, just because moderators have the prejudice that all political debates will end in flaming. What is this? The internet is a forum of free expression. I can quote fldash directly upon this. He only wanted posts deleted when they are illegal or pornographic, which is already way more liberal than the current rules. And these are only the foundation of a moderation policy that is even stricter. Putting order into the chaos is necessary, but condemnation upon slighest suspicion is not. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 04, 2008, 04:04:07 pm Oh and APEX yes you have free expression on the internet, but a forum run by someone else has rules and can do what ever people with "power" can do because of their freedom to do whatever. The Internet has many great freedoms, but you can't go to someone else's site and post whatever you want if they don't want it.
Pertaining to topic: Here is a great example of shit that should get deleted from a thread http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php/topic,6325.30.html Perhaps not locked but all of what THTB said should be deleted because he apparently hates Americans and likes to voice it in any topic what so ever with complete disregard for how anyone else may feel about such an issue. There are no clear pointed statements or facts just bashing. And I've clicked on that thread to be reviewed upon by a mod. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: UnLimiTeDTLS on September 04, 2008, 04:08:16 pm The freedom to take other peoples freedom :D I loled.
Yeah, it's sad political debates aren't possible, but just deleting crap would be sufficient in this case. I gave up to try partake in any serious discussions anyway, either it's crap and gets locked, or it gets locked without being crap. Left aside the few occasions where it's crap and doesn't get locked. I respect the moderation here, it's a clean forum with a low amount of flaming after moderation, not counting the flame against the moderation, and for discussing Quote Does not veer into arguments about race, politics, nationality, religion, or history .. forget it, should we discuss the weather?It's fine. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 04, 2008, 04:11:47 pm I agree deleting crap would be fine, however the amount of crap that is constantly shoveled upon the threads with no inclination to stop just doesn't justify deletion and instead a lock is in place. Plus we have like 3 mods who are generally not forum trolls and pursue many other topics. I would love to be a mod just to clean up threads because I would love to have a political discussion about stuff but here is how most go:
"XX county wants to join EU" (response) (response) (response) (America is dumb, pigs and dumb) (response to that) (response to that) (flame war) (flame war) (flamewar for the next 14 posts) (person posting to try to get back on topic) (locked). Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Unkn0wn on September 04, 2008, 04:12:39 pm Huh? I'm confused as to what you're complaining about, or whether you're just trying to be a dick. I think you're just being a dick making this comment to a new player ;). And I agree with what apex said, minus the part about exploiters & drophackers as I do believe those things shouldn't be discussed in public ;). (As they're rarely discussions, generally just flame fests) Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 04, 2008, 04:13:30 pm And then there is Unkn0wn ;)
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 04, 2008, 04:17:07 pm Perhaps the reason why we can't have discussions is because some people have no idea how to argue with out being 1) insulting 2) coherant or 3) the ability to accept that they may be wrong.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: SachAxis on September 04, 2008, 04:20:52 pm I hate people who can't argue without being coherent, its so much less fun XD
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Cpt.Mastaajbomb on September 04, 2008, 06:26:04 pm I agree deleting crap would be fine, however the amount of crap that is constantly shoveled upon the threads with no inclination to stop just doesn't justify deletion and instead a lock is in place. Plus we have like 3 mods who are generally not forum trolls and pursue many other topics. I would love to be a mod just to clean up threads because I would love to have a political discussion about stuff but here is how most go: who decides wether its crap or not. that is a personal opinion not something definite like flaming"XX county wants to join EU" (response) (response) (response) (America is dumb, pigs and dumb) (response to that) (response to that) (flame war) (flame war) (flamewar for the next 14 posts) (person posting to try to get back on topic) (locked). Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: BoDyBaG2224TLS on September 04, 2008, 06:49:10 pm Crap=not related to topic.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Akranadas on September 04, 2008, 07:02:21 pm I agree deleting crap would be fine, however the amount of crap that is constantly shoveled upon the threads with no inclination to stop just doesn't justify deletion and instead a lock is in place. Plus we have like 3 mods who are generally not forum trolls and pursue many other topics. I would love to be a mod just to clean up threads because I would love to have a political discussion about stuff but here is how most go: who decides wether its crap or not. that is a personal opinion not something definite like flaming"XX county wants to join EU" (response) (response) (response) (America is dumb, pigs and dumb) (response to that) (response to that) (flame war) (flame war) (flamewar for the next 14 posts) (person posting to try to get back on topic) (locked). Moderators do. Thats their job Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: salan on September 04, 2008, 07:21:49 pm Huh? I'm confused as to what you're complaining about, or whether you're just trying to be a dick. I think you're just being a dick making this comment to a new player ;). And I agree with what apex said, minus the part about exploiters & drophackers as I do believe those things shouldn't be discussed in public ;). (As they're rarely discussions, generally just flame fests) completely agree with unknown and thats why they are closed. Dash put that hard rule in place a long time before we were moderators, we're just carrying on that line of thought. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Rahx on September 04, 2008, 11:04:26 pm This thread is funny... everyone wants to be superior here in forum rules knownledge, lawl
gimme a break. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: salan on September 05, 2008, 04:36:03 am This thread is funny... everyone wants to be superior here in forum rules knownledge, lawl gimme a break. don't make me lock it! err... uhm ... hmmm Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Akranadas on September 05, 2008, 04:39:18 am Considering I wrote them...
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: DrayTest on September 05, 2008, 05:46:31 am Quote Dash put that hard rule in place a long time before we were moderators, we're just carrying on that line of thought. Yea....they were wrote by Akra, not FL.....therefore, they could use some changing. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Kolath on September 05, 2008, 06:32:19 am Akranadas, don't start a fight here.
I think this thread has run its course. Bottom line is we moderate. If you don't like something we do, please PM us about that specific instance and we will discuss it via PMs. Thank you. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Armandillo on September 05, 2008, 06:51:22 am I think people would enjoy more freedom when they post in general and thats the issue. Its not about allowing us to flame, post crap or
whatever. Its about not locking something you alone dont like, and its been clear in some previous circumstances. Its about allowing a discussion to evolve and fuckin flourish for once in these parts. :p What are these the McCarthy times ? Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Lolto on September 05, 2008, 07:29:32 am people should stop crying so much, lock this imo.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Thtb on September 05, 2008, 07:31:55 am My bets are at thread locked at site 4 or 5
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Draygon on September 05, 2008, 11:49:55 am I agree with Shultz, most of the time (unless its a flame thread) a post is closed because one of the mods doesnt like it, that a lone is not justification for locking the thread. The "general" category should be more freely moderated than it currently is, which is where all the problems are arising from.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Prydain on September 05, 2008, 12:04:57 pm Does not veer into arguments about race, politics, nationality, religion, or history Arguments or debates? If people are debating and some get out of line you should first warn them and if they persist they should have their posts deleted. Debates are a cohering and civil need, this forum is not important in the grand scheme of things but if we did not debate then we would still be submitting to ecclesiastical bullshit instead of acceding science.In laymans terms; without debate we would not have computers to then have a debate on. The mods need to stop locking topics and start using their other powers like deleting posts that offend the rules. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: salan on September 05, 2008, 12:16:20 pm problem with deleting posts is people hate that more then a locked thread and will scream murder.
moderation is a thankless job. sometimes people can moderate badly, we're human, i think.. But a lot of the stabler times.. we do a good job. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Thtb on September 05, 2008, 12:45:32 pm You see on my Forum (well i got all the Admin rights on it at least ;) ) we just remove any kind of (even if subtle) insulting and if a discussion goes off-topic we just split it from the main Thread.
We dont lock anything and then leave a phile of our personal opinion in it. *Also editing a post is much better than completly removeing it, pointing out the error the poster made. Here i give you a chance to train your ablitys: (http://pixdaus.com/pics/1217185632tIjzXPI.jpg) Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Cpt.Mastaajbomb on September 05, 2008, 01:09:29 pm i thought these forums were a place to express your feelings but everytime someone does it either gets locked or deleted. whats the point of having a GENERAL Discussion forum if you are just gonna lock peoples posts? ok i can understand many of your various reasons.Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 05, 2008, 11:06:31 pm You know what? The majority of people living in America are immigrants from Europe from WWI/WWII era. So I'm actually not offended by the cartoon because my family arrived at Ellis Island in the 30's from Poland and my mother's side arrived from Ireland when my Great Grandfather had to be snuck out of the country (that tends to happen if you are a General in the IRA...)
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Cpt.Mastaajbomb on September 05, 2008, 11:23:04 pm You know what? The majority of people living in America are immigrants from Europe from WWI/WWII era. So I'm actually not offended by the cartoon because my family arrived at Ellis Island in the 30's from Poland and my mother's side arrived from Ireland when my Great Grandfather had to be snuck out of the country (that tends to happen if you are a General in the IRA...) what cartoon?Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Rahx on September 06, 2008, 12:25:04 am All the white people in america are europeans from background, doh.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Prydain on September 06, 2008, 12:43:38 am You know what? The majority of people living in America are immigrants from Europe from WWI/WWII era. So I'm actually not offended by the cartoon because my family arrived at Ellis Island in the 30's from Poland and my mother's side arrived from Ireland when my Great Grandfather had to be snuck out of the country (that tends to happen if you are a General in the IRA...) "General in the IRA..." Lol, General in the IRA... Don't try to understand that local group, one that has just been dis-admined. Bodybag, I don't mean to be in doubt of you but that for me is hard to believe. I am not a seminarian, I do wish to have evidence before I believe. Do you mind extending your great grandfathers name; I can visit my university's history faculty to have this claim substantiated.(Unless you where joking) Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Unkn0wn on September 06, 2008, 04:26:21 am Lol.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Draygon on September 06, 2008, 09:44:34 am Reminds me of the Coke joke that Rocco tells in Boondock Saints....lol
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 06, 2008, 03:22:27 pm I'm seriously not joking. My great grandfather was snuck out of Ireland onto a boat in the middle of the night and then shipped over to New York. He was in the IRA, perhaps not a General because I don't remember the story fully, but was a high ranking person in the IRA. Apparently there are like a bunch of fucking relatives over in Ireland who are rich as fuck. I've yet to go over, but my mom, uncle, grandmother, and my mothers uncles have been.
Shit: I don't know the first name but the last name is Hayes. Lemme ask for his first. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: M4 Sherman on September 06, 2008, 03:27:07 pm I think you might mean The Rank Major?Maybe Captain?
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Bodybag2224-Armor on September 06, 2008, 03:29:02 pm Perhaps, I'll have to ask my grandmother.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Unkn0wn on September 06, 2008, 04:09:33 pm You can be real proud over the fact your grandfather was a fucking terrorist ;).
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: CatinHatTLS on September 06, 2008, 04:27:39 pm so what my family has "ties" with the mafia....
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Sach on September 06, 2008, 04:37:45 pm I wonder if the war on terror had been 20 years earlier and if the IRA had been listed and Ireland been added to the axis of evil ;)
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Osprey on September 06, 2008, 05:03:42 pm Nah, the US funded the IRA, and love Ireland, they'd never admit that the Irish nationalists were in the wrong.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: DrayTest on September 06, 2008, 07:56:21 pm Quote You can be real proud over the fact your grandfather was a fucking terrorist Wink. My family has ties to the IRA as well. My relatives snuck out though, made it to Canada and then came across the border that way. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Akranadas on September 06, 2008, 08:04:03 pm Wow guys, I mean bravo.
A thread about Moderators is now about terrorists, Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Thtb on September 06, 2008, 08:11:15 pm Logicaly.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Nevyen on September 06, 2008, 08:12:14 pm Where else do think it would go, i mean both groups rule by terror...... don't they? ;)
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Thtb on September 06, 2008, 08:12:53 pm By attacking with devestating effect without giveing a chance to respond.
Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: SachAxis on September 06, 2008, 08:21:13 pm Wow guys, I mean bravo. A thread about Moderators is now about terrorists, Welcome to the internets, please enjoy your stay. Title: Re: moderators locking posts Post by: Akranadas on September 07, 2008, 02:06:42 am Wow guys, I mean bravo. A thread about Moderators is now about terrorists, Welcome to the internets, please enjoy your stay. Cool, then don't complain about this then Locked. |