COH: Europe In Ruins

Right now, there seems to be a general dislike for some of the current veterancy artwork that is appearing in Europe in Ruins. For those who don't understand what the veterancy art work is, it is the little symbols that appear above units with different veterancy levels.

Due to ToV, the old symbols cannot be used. I created the new ones to be different from vCOH and it's boring grey bars that appear at vet levels. However, many dislike them, that and they are too hard to distinguish or appear too different. At the moment I am happy to redesign them, and but I want to know what the community wants them to look like.

There are two choices. Consistent and Unique

Unique is what we have now, each vet level has a completely different symbol to it; for example, vet 1 for British has a Green Chevron, where as Vet 3 has 2 golden pips.

Consistent would be like the following.

Vet 1 Wehr
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/Ranks%20and%20Rewards/wehrvet1.jpg)

Vet 2 Wehr
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/Ranks%20and%20Rewards/wehrvet2.jpg)

Vet 3 Wehr
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/Ranks%20and%20Rewards/wehrvet3.jpg)

Vet 1 PE
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/Ranks%20and%20Rewards/pevet1.jpg)

Vet 2 PE
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/Ranks%20and%20Rewards/pevet2.jpg)

Vet 3 PE
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/Ranks%20and%20Rewards/pevet3.jpg)

The question I ask you, what would you prefer.

i prefer consistent symbols. every faction should have consistent symbols.
i especially like these wehr vet symbols but i cant imagine these PE symbols on units...could u do some screenshots of them on units?

I like consistent

I'm a fan of unique. Consistency, though it works, I'd feel we'd have more room for creativity.

Seconded.

(http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/5/590/how-to-draw-an-iron-cross.jpg)

maybe these small iron crosses for PE 3 in a line

mb lets have different colors for vet

vet 3 could be gold like wehr , its looks very nice ( while as vet 3 us looks ugly as hell)

vet 1 could be bronze , vet 2 silver

and some good artwork for it

oh yea and have the whole bar colored like the vet 3 wehr gold so it is easily noticeable

vet 1+2 consistant, vet3 dazzling. vet3 needs to be something unique

TBH i like consistent

My only issue with the current ones is that I personally am having a hard time figuring out what's vet 2 and vet 3 for some units :P.
Hence I'd prefer consistent for vet 1 to 5 even, although it could be nice to see different ones for infantry and tanks.

Consistancy.

I'll see if I can get some in game vision of them.

consistant until vet 3 where the artwork is more bolder and gold

smth like this akra? ,  my paint skills are no hax  :P

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4738/wehrvet1.jpg)

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5152/wehrvet2.jpg)

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3345/wehrvet3.jpg)

That because your using paint  :D

Something like this guys?

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/sd.jpg)

Of course, when I have more time, it'll look more golden

I liked the old vcoh veterancy....
especially the chevrons.

qft

how about this one?
(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/LeoPhone/vet.png)
i tought you guys didnt have enough time to do everything(like gettin loading screens to work)
and now you all care about some vet symbols? everyboddy with a skinpack wont see the new symbols anyway.

Looks a little bit too much like the british vet 3 symbols imo.

i cant even get the skinpack to work so be nice lol

I'd vote for consistent vet 1 to 2 then a vet 3 symbol that stands out.

+1

oh, one idea i did have once about vet was involving this thing: (if you rly want to use ur time about vet symbols  :D)
(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu238/LeoPhone/XP.jpg)
leth that meter say on which vet level the unit you have selected right now is, and leth the bar around it show the amount of XP needed for the next vet level.
not only would that be cool, but you can also decide if you want to retreat ur unit or not, becouse you know exactly how much XP he has.

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3345/wehrvet3.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wehrvet3.jpg)

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9789/92857393.jpg)

Maybe for americans make an eagle version?

Make the symbols brighter aswell

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7336/crosspsd.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crosspsd.jpg)

lol all these pussy symbols...

vet1 + 2 consistant (akranads' symbols)
vet3 unique

As cool as it would be to do that, it can't be done due to hard coded lines.


What loading screens are you talking about? Maps? Those are up to the map creators. Our loading screen works 100% correctly, as do our backgrounds for the menu (which... who knows might get changed soon :P )

All in game artwork is of my own creation and I work, so when I said I was going to do this, it's because I feel unhappy with the current symbols and feel that you guys are as well. I'm a perfectionist by nature and hate seeing something out of place or messy.

hi5 akra

I miss the old chevrons... I vote for consistent :P

too bad that cant be done, would have been rly nice,
about those loading screens, i had my own map with loading screen which i couldnt get to work, so asked unknown for help and he told we dont waste time on that.

anyway, ur right akra  ;D

Consistant all the way, up to vet 3, IMO.
Just make it look a bit more "dandy'ish"(bolt of lightning!) when at vet 3, but nothing standing out and extravagant.

As long as there's a way to know what the different symbols mean I vote for unique.

The old ones were better, much simpler.

The iron cross looked like crap though.

Why? It wasn't so bad IMO.

There was one in the Tiger Ace campaign, which could be used as Vet 3 or 1.
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8747/relic00040.jpg)

Personally I don't like the "private, captain, 3 star general" look we have going right now, but it's a hell of a lot better then those stupid bars relic put in, I really hate that relic changed how the vet and everything looks, but i guess it was necessary with all the things they changed.

Anyways I like the idea of consistantcy, but vet 3 would be unique. Uhg I wish I had my computer here, I would throw up some brainstorm ideas I've had for this. Anyways, what i think would be cool is either what akra is doing where you have all 3 vets with the same look, but vet 3 just has a golden background.

Or where you have vet 1 and 2 consistant then vet 3 would be unique. Examples:

US: vet 1 - 1 cheveron
      vet 2 - 2 cheverons
      vet 3 - golden or silver star

Wher: vet 1 - 1 diamond or stripe (all wher would be gray)
         vet 2 - 2 diamons or stripes
         vet 3 - iron cross

PE: vet 1 - 1 diamond or stripe (all PE vet would be the dark red they use)
         vet 2 - 2 diamons or stripes
         vet 3 - iron cross

Brits: vet 1 - 1 cheveron
        vet 2 - 2 cheverons
        vet 3 - the golden diamond or a crown


Another idea for PE and wher would be this:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_and_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel)

Give wher the V marks for vet 1 and 2 and PE stripes or vice versa and keep them at iron crosses for vet 3.

picture didnt work.

here is the reference link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_and_insignia_of_the_Schutzstaffel

Vet 1 and 2 for PE or Wher
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/SSlcplsldr.gif)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/SScplshld.gif)

Vet 2 for PE or Wher, Vet 1 would be 1 stripe
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/SS-Sturmmann.svg/100px-SS-Sturmmann.svg.png)

I vote for Vet 1 and 2 being fairly consistent, but Vet 3 to be unique.

I´ll vote for that too :)

i have a question that could really help in figuring out what to use...

what do vet 1, 2 and 3 represent? Do they all start off as private, then go to ??? maybe all 4 sides use a captains bars of their side as vet 3? i dont think above a captain you'd see an officer on the field.

Hehe, yeah I agree, generals usually don´t do much good fighting :)

Major would be the last rank to still see some field action from time to time.

You're better off with this sort of tiers

Vet 1 = Private 1st Class, Lance Corporal, Corporals
Vet 2 = Sergeant
Vet 3 = Staff Sergeant/Sergeant Major

Its more... accurate to use a NCO rank than to use a CO rank unless you intend to give special ranks to special units who are obviously COs.

Yea. I guess so. A squad of sargeant majors makes more sense ethan a squad of LT's or captains unless its an elite squad like rangers, kch, paratroopers (both sides) etc.

i dont really care, for all icare is that rifles could be generals

Realism aspect is not going to take precedent over gameplay

I've finally decided how it will be done, it will be a consistent theme throughout all the faction with differing symbols for each faction.

They will the following:
American

• Vet 1 - Bronze Star
• Vet 2 - 2 x Silver Star
• Vet 3 - 3 x Gold Star

British

• Vet 1 - Bronze Crown
• Vet 2 - 2 x Silver Crown
• Vet 3 - 3 x Gold Crown

Wehrmacht

• Vet 1 - Bronze Pip
• Vet 2 - 2 x Silver Pip
• Vet 3 - 3 x Gold Pip

Panzer Elite

• Vet 1 - Bronze Cross
• Vet 2 - 2 x Silver Cross
• Vet 3 - 3 x Gold Cross

Thoughts?

Id say, if you were going with stars, crowns etc - to go with number AND colour.

Im thinking for my colour-blind friend, who would stab you if you did what you proposed (because, theyd all look the same to him)

Oh, forgot to add that part. Each level will have a symbol added to it. Silly me  :P

awesome PE got crosses, i dont care much of any faction other than PE lol

unfortunately pe units dont live long enough most times to get 3 crosses :D

but i think to make vet 3 just an aditional symbole (color) looks boring...v3 should be completely different like wehr vet3 is now

I think they'll be great

yea because all americans stack and have bloody 3vet rangers killing all our stuff. slack

I posted the pics tbfh. I win all.

Actually, Its impossible for me to use the ones you posted.

Cross is like this: (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Akranadas/panzer_01copy.gif)

C'mon, what about this.It's even in the game already so no extra effort needed.
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8283/relic00040m.jpg)

Because it's not a Vet Symbol and will not fit within the area that is need for veterancy symbols.

But oh so... shiny  :o

You could resize it maybe?

To put it into some perspective, I have an area of about : 65pxwide x 15pxhigh to work with. While the cross there is great, it won't fit within that area, and when I resize it, it won't be a cross anymore; it will be a white box.

i was along the right lines with symbols i mean  :D

Could work around it with Vet unlocking an always active ability dependent on level, since the icons for abilities seem to be larger. But that would be a pain in the ass.

I like the idea akra, I know the pain of making shit that small when I was making class symbols for project reality. it is NOT fun guys, go ahead make a 65 by 15 pixel sized thing and play around with the pencil tool and you will see how quickly your creative ideas are put off  :D

Yeah, it's exactly like that Riki. :P

"oh this'll look.... oh wait, now it looks like nothing"