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[Nug]

^ no

dps is dps

Even calculated DPS in CoH isn't absolute

Yes it is, because dps only applies to weapon and weapon parametes are same unless changed in rgd.

zing.

Do you see the difference between how many times I insult you being an estimate is and how you being an idiot is absolute?

The only thing that proves is that, that there is a 90% probability that you are an asshole by insulting someone.

But then you're talking about a different thing. If you consider the wapeon itself your may be right (If we neglect that some values have min-max values
and don't consider this time variant) but with this, the comparism of different wapeons becomes totally obsolete because wapeons don't fight against themself - They are applied in a enviroment and a scenario with different basic conditions where we need to consider statistics. (And then "DPS" becomes
a none static value)

Weapons don't fight themself, but dps applies only to weapons. And that's why DPS weapon comparison is 100% accurate.

[Ahnungsloser]

dps is dps

Go and play C&C (or similiar) if you can only think in a linear damage output design and can't consider the dynamics/statistics which are working hidden in the background. Linear averaged and approximated damage output with ideal general requirements are not that mechanics/mathematics you can observe in CoH.

Exact this dynamic system makes CoH so interesting (and hard to balance).

[brn4meplz]

Nug is correct in only a single dimension. dps is dps.

Just like England is England, a cat is a cat and nug is an idiot.


Even calculated DPS in CoH isn't absolute. You can't definitively say how well a unit will perform until it's performed and you can look back on the numbers. average the statisical probability though is pretty accurate in the long run.


Which brings me back to my first point. Nug is an idiot.

[Demon767]

Nug is an idiot.

+1

[Unkn0wn]

Let's get back on topic.

EDIT: I MEAN IT

[brn4meplz]

yes it is, because dps only applies to weapon and weapon parameters never changes.

zing

It's so thoughtful when your point makes itself for you.

Heres an example.


Lets say that on any given day from here until the end of time I insult you an average of 4 times a day(not at all out of the realm of possibility) Some days I'll insult you twice, some days 6 or 7 times. I won't really know until you do something worthy of insult. Now again on average I insult you 4 times a day. However maybe one week you forgot your meds and i find it necessary to insult you 6 times a day for every day in that week. If you simply took that week as your sample pool I'd be insulting you 6 times a day on average. 50% more then I'd actually insult you on average.

Now we wouldn't know how much I'd actually be insulting you on any given day until the day came and went. Then it's hard data, everything else is an educated assumption. Not absolute.

Do you see the difference between how many times I insult you being an estimate is and how you being an idiot is absolute?

[Ahnungsloser]

Even calculated DPS in CoH isn't absolute. You can't definitively say how well a unit will perform until it's performed and you can look back on the numbers. average the statisical probability though is pretty accurate in the long run.

Yeah, one who get what I try to mention. DPS is time variant so even if you have the same battle (same squads, starting conditions, enviroment, cover situation..) the result can look absolutly different.

Best examples are wapeons with a slow rate of fire like tank guns. Even if you only consider the penetration roll and completly neglect

(Range, Accuracy, Reload, Cooldown, Cooldown Multiplier, Rate of Fire, Reload Frequency, Moving Accuracy, Moving Burst, Acc. Incremental, Fire Aim Time, Aim Multiplier, Ready Aim Time, Post Firing Aim Time, Post Firing Cooldown, Cover Table, Target Table)

and just check what's happen in a given time unit the "average dps" can have range from zero (all shells bounced and dealed no damage*) up to ((fired shells*number of shells) / time unit).

*deflection damage neglected.

yes it is, because dps only applies to weapon and weapon parameters never changes.

But then you're talking about a different thing. If you consider the wapeon itself your may be right (If we neglect that some values have min-max values
and don't consider this time variant) but with this, the comparism of different wapeons becomes totally obsolete because wapeons don't fight against themself - They are applied in a enviroment and a scenario with different basic conditions where we need to consider statistics. (And then "DPS" becomes
a none static value)

[Hicks58]

Gren dps close range 6

garand 4

no

Kindly inform me how many weapons are in each squad.

[Demon767]

Kindly inform me how many weapons are in each squad.

uhh, 5 garands in the rifle squad and 3 gren kar in the gren squad?

[Mysthalin]

I'd put all of you guys out of your statistical misery if I just knew one thing.



What the fuck is even the point of this argument? Other than of course people trying to prove nug is shit when it comes to balance - which is kind of beating a dead horse at this point.

[brn4meplz]

Beating a dead horse man not be fun for you. But in my country I don;t see dead horses very often. Shut up and pass me another stick!

[TheVolskinator]

Make me.

[tank130]

OK, we are done here.