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Tachibana Offline
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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2019, 01:25:08 pm »

This is all much ado about nothing really. Snipers are not like myst states "dominating the meta".

I think myst is referring to the meta about 6 months ago prior to the cloak removal and fire rate equalization. Snipers were most definitely defining the meta.
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2019, 02:44:12 pm »

6 months ago it was AB nonsense and snipers had nothing to do with it lol. Ya guises should play more so ya could tell what was what :p
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2019, 05:49:37 pm »

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In fact I don't think other than me, Magz and Shab anyone else uses them regularly

Plenty of other users as well. Rug in particular comes to mind - I'm sure Speedy can provide you with a list of all other dirty sniper spammers and a disturbingly accurate and detailed list of when multiple snipers were last seen by said players.

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What is more concerning I find is the persistence of heavy reliance on support weapons on both sides, but on the allied side especially. The MG nerf helped address this to some extent but until allies get proper reliable HHAT options and a revision of their TD units, ATG spam is going to continue to be the order of the day. This is one of the main issues with the allied faction currently in my view, and actually runs counter to the design of the US faction for one. In all, i believe  it's undermining the kind of dynamic gameplay that EIR is normally known for.

I both agree and disagree there. It's perfectly possible to play well as the US without much of a need to over-invest in ATGs (or even M10s). Smart use of stickies, mines and even zooks can easily tide you over for most games, and most of my US companies don't tend to have much more than 1 or 2 ATGs as a result. It takes a bit of practice and a different mindset, but it's pretty rewarding - but few people are willing to take the plunge. Same goes for Wehrmacht - people just rely on support weapons due to familiarity, simplicity and convenience.
The story is different for the brits, however. As good as PIATs and Boys are - they're definitely only supporting AT - and fireflies aren't always the most fun unit to use - so you're kind of stuck with ATG spam from them in most cases. Although I like to play a Churchil Mk IV spam company with minimal ATGs as an interesting twist I can hardly recommend it in good faith to most players.

I think myst is referring to the meta about 6 months ago prior to the cloak removal and fire rate equalization. Snipers were most definitely defining the meta.

Indeed, referring to about 5-6 months ago - though they had just lost their cloak at the time. Didn't think there had been much of a change for them since?

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On the other hand, not being able to move at regular speed would nearly certainly condemn Snipers to Allied Howitzers, Hummels, and Calliopes.

Fair point.

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We should consider that the Sniper has in the fist place already experienced a significant nerf. My suggestion, again, is the 400 MP, 150 MU price, while not being able to cloak outside of cover.

Nerfs that were very well deserved. The sniper is by no means underpowered for its price (500 MP, 200 MU) - the opposite is in fact more likely. At 400 MP and 150 MU having 2-3 snipers would quickly become a no-brainer - and playing the brits would become an absolute chore by comparison.
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NightRain Offline
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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2019, 12:03:39 pm »

Why not make snipers reward units? Are they an essential tool in a company one might ask? I think not. It is just one of the many.
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2019, 02:01:59 pm »

Lol what?
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Bear Offline
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2019, 02:14:41 pm »

Why not make snipers reward units? Are they an essential tool in a company one might ask? I think not. It is just one of the many.

You mean cheaper but reward unit, or?

There should still be Sniper to but it should not be so cheap that each player will have at least one Sniper with them.
That would change everything, I think.

But if you all like it that way ...

Will there be reward units again?
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2019, 03:12:49 pm »

Reward units are coming back yes, or rather there's already some but there'll be more. And the sniper price is staying as it is, not getting cheaper.
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2019, 07:45:00 am »

Plenty of other users as well. Rug in particular comes to mind

WAT?? since when do I use snipers as of late? I only ever kill them by using free flank speed on cromwells  Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2019, 03:50:27 am »

Added overview of map changes
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2019, 09:04:09 am »

I'm holding off on the map changes until I can get some sweet deets from unknown regarding them. Expect them with the hotfix.

EDIT: PIE zipfile in sig updated w. new info.
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Poppi Offline
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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2019, 03:26:41 pm »

Just saw that the AB cost for "Fight another day" is 2000mp for AB. Not 20mp
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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2019, 03:43:54 am »

Just saw that the AB cost for "Fight another day" is 2000mp for AB. Not 20mp

Will check whats up with that
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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2019, 08:36:56 am »

fun fact: in a game which 3 players play, one person losing to snipers and being unable to use them himself, can legally constitute a meta

Since the meta is so small

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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2019, 02:37:17 pm »

V1 DOES NOT WORK

BTW SHITTIEST PATCH 2019. SO MUCH CHEESE.
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Bear Offline
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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2019, 03:43:51 pm »

lancaster bomb doesnt work, to
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