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[DarkSoldierX]

why make PGrens cost more than riflemen?
rifles cost: 200mp
current pgren cost: 215mp

riflemen have 330 hp total vs 320 hp Pgrens (3.125% more)
PGrens only have a ~5.3% more dps than riflemen.
riflemen have an awesome 6 guys instead of just 4 with the advantages of:
better defense vs snipers
better defense vs tanks
better at recrewing weapons
a more steadily loss of dps when fighting (no insta 25% dps loss when everyone focuses on one dude, this tends to happen more often to pgrens than rifles as well because of their default formation)

and the disadvantage of: less potent healing, since guys die earlier.
thankfully PE has a very reliable source of infantry healing. like... nothing?

Wrong.

1. Axis sniper shoots faster, allied shoots slower, snipers are balanced, argument totally invalid due to such
2. Axis mediums shoot faster, and axis heavy AI has more splash, argument less valid due to only being true when fighting tank hunters (M10 sniping gren to hetzer/panther sniping rifleman) or atgs (very rare)
3. Rifles are better at re crewing. Agreed
4. Steady DPS loss? Lol. Riflemen are more likely to loose a man from a bad move into enemy infantries range, while pgrens wont.

And no lol a guy does not die earlier on a 80 hp man vs a 55 hp man, and AI doesn't focus fire down a man nearly enough.

American healing- Triage, Airborne medic

PE healing  - SE Healcar, Luftwaffe medkits, and the less viable Stalingrad vets(which is still healing)

Healing is about the same.

Panzergrens are the much better combat platform, the only thing they don't excel at is recrewing. Oh well.

I meant compared to vCOH. They're essentially grenadiers with worse guns, so arguing that pzgrens have worse survivability is like arguing that wehr grenadiers are less survivable than riflemen. Smaller squads with higher HP per squad member is generally an advantage in my book, unless you're facing snipers. (And for stuff like recrewing)

It's a matter of perspective I guess, but I've always considered grenadiers to be a much more reliable & survivable platform.

Roughly same DPS as grens.

[TheVolskinator]

Why not just allow the squads to reinforce 2 to 3 (depending on doc unlocks) times at a triage center/HT, rather then try to correct this ability which has caused so much greif?

[Hicks58]

Because I've suggested that before, twice now in fact, both to reasonably positive reception bar one or two stubborn people.

[Mister Schmidt]

This ability doesn't cause any grief, are you being serious?

[Hicks58]

*Facepalm*

Clearly you've never heard the expression causing grief, which means that it causes trouble. In this context, it's being a pain in the arse to make work, which is where the trouble is being caused.

It's not being used for any form of griefing ingame.

[Mister Schmidt]

Hicks I know full well what grief means for christ sake, get off your horse.

What I'm saying is, it's so ridiculously cheap and useful that in no way can it possibly cause grief.
It's easy to make work, you can even use directly in combat now due to the smoke, so I seriously do not understand why you people feel it is trouble to use.

[Smokaz]

Run this on every single rifleman of my tank reapers company. It's golden

[Unkn0wn]

Why not just allow the squads to reinforce 2 to 3 (depending on doc unlocks) times at a triage center/HT, rather then try to correct this ability which has caused so much greif?

Sorry, there is no way we are ever letting the mechanic of 'reinforcing' slip into the game again. This is as close as it gets .

[Valexandes]

The First Aid ability is really useful with my two T3 setup. The smoke that pops when you use it is incredibly useful.

It can be really useful to get that man back. He comes back with full health and with three uses it can be really handy.

I also find it very helpful as the smoke it pops can be used to save that squad that is in trouble or just keep them occupied for a decent amount of extra time while you flank.
I run it on every unit i can take it on for those reasons. A cheap reusable instant smoke to cover your unit and works great for bringing that ignored unit back into the fight to contribute some more.

[pandaExpress]

why dosent command squad have first aid?

[Valexandes]

That would be really good. I don't use command squads often but that would hugely help their survivability

[RikiRude]

why dosent command squad have first aid?

as both a CS and FA user, I have to say I'd love to see it on CS, but it would probably be a little OP.

[Valexandes]

Honestly using First Aid on rifles plus a triage makes them a lot more survivable.
With the smoke it pops (not sure may be due to my doctrine unlocks) it can drastically cut the damage that unit takes while you bring up support. It also brings back that wounded man at full health which can make a significant impact on the squads health in some cases.

If you run top and bottom tier 3 it can be really useful to pop it then run back with the squad to get them to safety using the run speed boost and the smoke. You can then move on whatever was attacking them and usually still get the downed man back because the cooldown is so fast that it's not too uncommon to be able to use it again and get that extra man back.