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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2011, 10:38:00 pm »
you know what, it must be the missing the kill crit that happens to me, or is what i notice most often. i didn't know that happened with ATGs, but knowing how often it happens on vehicles and tanks it makes more sense. ok. case closed haha.
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2011, 10:59:25 pm »
Quote from: Tymathee on March 02, 2011, 09:49:50 pm
but paks are usually going to get the first shot off though.

who says thats what happens usually

you cant put that argument down
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2011, 04:43:11 am »
Quote from: Demon767 on March 02, 2011, 10:59:25 pm
who says thats what happens usually

you cant put that argument down

depends on whos moving what. Paks are usually stationary while 57s are usually moving around more, so the unit that moves more has more of a chance to be ambushed by the immobile unit, duh.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2011, 05:54:13 am »
Who's to say either one moves around more then the other? no one.

They are identical units, apart from the obvious AP and cloak. but they are essential used the same way.

I see what your trying to say, although you didnt infact highlight it in your argument. you essentialy say because PAK has cloak its more stationary.

I could say that the abundance of Artillery on allied side makes the PAK more mobile. i could also say Axis indirect fire, nebel and hummel will make ATGs more mobile. but this is theory crafting which is pointless.

Bottom line, they are used similarly in the same way and there is no "usual situations" for either gun. Just a random gameplay style from which playes adapt to battlefield conditions
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2011, 11:11:56 am »
The dmg is way too high, dead in a couple of hits, hardly any time to move away from it without taking significant dmg if you would want to. Plus the repair options to the ATG itself are pretty limited.
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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2011, 11:58:54 am »
Quote from: Demon767 on March 03, 2011, 05:54:13 am
Who's to say either one moves around more then the other? no one.

The cloak feature is what says one moves more than the other. If you're using the pak WRONG you might be moving it around as much as the 57mm, but if you want to cloak, you aren't; unless they removed that change since I played.
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2011, 02:29:26 pm »
No Mal, you dont just pick a spot and cloak and wait for 2 minutes till something comes, in the back of the line while your team is pushing up. you move your Pak guns in range of the enemy and cloak. Just like ATGs. you move in range and fire
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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2011, 07:02:01 pm »
Quote from: Demon767 on March 03, 2011, 02:29:26 pm
No Mal, you dont just pick a spot and cloak and wait for 2 minutes till something comes, in the back of the line while your team is pushing up. you move your Pak guns in range of the enemy and cloak. Just like ATGs. you move in range and fire

I lol'd @ this.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2011, 07:17:02 pm »
No unit in this game is purely defensive and those that think there are such units are scrubs.

You get the same bonus by moving the Pak and cloaking before the target as you do sitting around waiting for a noob to wander into the fire cone.

Move pak, hit the "C" button on your keyboard = insta ambush bonus.
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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2011, 08:44:57 pm »
Quote from: Malevolence on March 03, 2011, 11:58:54 am
The cloak feature is what says one moves more than the other. If you're using the pak WRONG you might be moving it around as much as the 57mm, but if you want to cloak, you aren't; unless they removed that change since I played.

Sitting in one place with a pak is indeed a very good example of how NOT to use it.
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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2011, 09:05:19 pm »
Paks don't need to relocate as much as 57s because a jeep/unit can just pass by without noticing it, unlike 57s where you need to move it somewhere else if they see it.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2011, 04:56:33 pm »
Quote from: Malevolence on March 03, 2011, 07:02:01 pm
I lol'd @ this.

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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2011, 06:09:48 pm »
Quote from: Groundfire on March 03, 2011, 07:17:02 pm
No unit in this game is purely defensive and those that think there are such units are scrubs.

I might be a scrub, but what about sandbags?
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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2011, 06:27:12 pm »
Quote from: SX23 on March 05, 2011, 06:09:48 pm
I might be a scrub, but what about sandbags?
Not a "unit" scrub.
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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2011, 06:33:22 pm »
What about stationary mg nests and 88s?
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2011, 06:35:12 pm »
Definition of Units in RTS

"An integral part of any RTS game, the unit is anything mobile that is controlled by the player."

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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2011, 07:10:56 pm »
MG nests are buildings.

88s are definitely a unit, though - and you can use them very much so offensively.
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