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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2009, 03:54:22 pm »

awesome finally Germans have a new unit to use  Smiley

Guess the 50mm ATHT and Fall tank busters are not considered units.

And on top of these two, you got to keep them for more than 3 days, unlike the rifleman support/fireteam units.   Cry

Thats because ive asked for FJ TankBuster and the higher ups heard my prayers!  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2009, 04:01:40 pm »

Do you honestly think a maus would NEED a bridge to cross a river?

Yes, because it would sink into the muddy river banks and get stuck.

Germans made a shitload of useless and crappy tanks in ww2, Maus is one of them.
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2009, 04:55:19 pm »

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Yes, because it would sink into the muddy river banks and get stuck.

Wrong - with such huge weight, it would sink into the concrete road off the production line Tongue.

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Germans made a shitload of useless and crappy tanks in ww2, Maus is one of them.

The nazis never actually.... built the maus or the ratte, now did they?
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 05:00:51 pm »

Actually it was reported that one Maus was destroyed defending the factory it came from and another one was on the production line.
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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 05:06:19 pm »


Wrong - with such huge weight, it would sink into the concrete road off the production line Tongue.

Nah, it actually had really wide tracks, its ground pressure wasn't bad.  It was just big and slow.

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The nazis never actually.... built the maus or the ratte, now did they?

Ya they did.  A whole production line was setup.  One fully working prototype was completed and 9 others were in production when the factory was taken over by the Russians.   The Germans planned on eventually building about 200 of those.
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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2009, 05:19:20 pm »

It would work as a defensive T4 if it was artillery only Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2009, 05:20:47 pm »

I believe the Maus had two prototypes completed, one was sent to Berlin, the other was captured by the Russians. The former broke down about halfway there and had to be scuttled by the crew.
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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2009, 06:12:52 pm »

I believe the Maus had two prototypes completed, one was sent to Berlin, the other was captured by the Russians. The former broke down about halfway there and had to be scuttled by the crew.
why scuttled?
pile up dirt on the sides and you have an instant bunker fortress
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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2009, 06:44:54 pm »

If I had a penny for every time someone made a thread with 'AXIS SHOULD TOTALLY GET DIZZ'  Cheesy
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2009, 06:49:10 pm »

I believe the Maus had two prototypes completed, one was sent to Berlin, the other was captured by the Russians. The former broke down about halfway there and had to be scuttled by the crew.
why scuttled?
pile up dirt on the sides and you have an instant bunker fortress

Because it's standard operating procedure to scuttle tanks that are nonfunctional so the enemy can't recover your hard-built german steel war machine when they just come at it from behind with a plasma torch and a grenade?
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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2009, 06:56:06 pm »

I believe the Maus had two prototypes completed, one was sent to Berlin, the other was captured by the Russians. The former broke down about halfway there and had to be scuttled by the crew.
why scuttled?
pile up dirt on the sides and you have an instant bunker fortress

It was too heavy to transport by train I assume. Going long distances with tanks is begging for mechanical failures. And it probably broke down in the middle of the road which is why turning it into a bunker wasn't bright, plus the value of the machinery was probably too high to just 'leave it there'

Do you honestly think a maus would NEED a bridge to cross a river?

Considering the fact that a lot of modern tanks can't just go across rivers without preparations (ie snorkel and what not) unless it's a ford. It's a very risky adventure also because you don't know what's in the water, even if a recce crew actually took the time of waddling through the water to make sure it isn't either too deep or has a huge hole of doom in the middle of it's not a safe thing to do. Quite a few guys botch the job because waddling through the water isn't fun, or they can't notice some problematic things like ground that is rocky and good enough for a man but that would still let a tank slide into the water. Depth is also a problem. As a rule of thumb, water above the turret ring isn't good without fording preparations.

Another issue with fording rivers with armored vehicle is that the banks are usually where things go wrong. The ground is often very soft due to erosion and even if one or two tanks pass, the next ones might not be able to because the bank is non-existent anymore and instead there's a step to take.

Even the modern LAV's have issues with fording. Even though it's usually easier (because some models are amphibious and they require less preparation).

And finally all the ideal fording points are ambush points. If you're crossing a ford you're likely to be on the offensive (otherwise sappers would have prepared some sort of bridge, fixed the destroyed ones or you would have the time to go to an actual bridge).  Enemies, if they did their recce correctly, know about those points. And they'll expect you to try and find them (and use them) because it's slightly better than a bridge because you can have infantry actually waddle through the river far on the flanks and do a box around the fording point, clearing it out of enemy.


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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2009, 06:58:11 pm »

I believe the Maus had two prototypes completed, one was sent to Berlin, the other was captured by the Russians. The former broke down about halfway there and had to be scuttled by the crew.
why scuttled?
pile up dirt on the sides and you have an instant bunker fortress

Because it's standard operating procedure to scuttle tanks that are nonfunctional so the enemy can't recover your hard-built german steel war machine when they just come at it from behind with a plasma torch and a grenade?

You don't even need a plasma torch.  A bolt cutter is generally sufficient.

Also, we should put this in.

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