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Author Topic: Supercharged Rounds [RCA t1] (Skill Description)  (Read 2579 times)
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TheWindCriesMary Offline
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« on: December 11, 2010, 02:55:25 am »

 From all appearances it doesn't seem to actually give 25pdr's +120 range. It's possible I just don't remember how truly poor 25 pdr base range is, but if with +100 range it is STILL this atrociously pathetic... something needs to be done.

-Wind
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 02:59:43 am »

It's actually +75 range, it goes from 175 to 250. 105mm is 300. The 25 pounder is cheaper than the 105mm and with recent patches is identical in basically every other regard, except that it's placed in an emplacement instead of the open.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 03:00:57 am »

It's actually +75 range, it goes from 175 to 250. 105mm is 300. The 25 pounder is cheaper than the 105mm and with recent patches is identical in basically every other regard, except that it's placed in an emplacement instead of the open.

 The doctrine abillity for RCA clearly states +120 range.

 -Wind
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 03:02:52 am »

There's a discrepancy then, the 0.7.9F changelog thread with the 8 doctrines listed says +75 range.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 03:03:11 am »

The doctrine abillity for RCA clearly states +120 range.

 -Wind
In launcher, or in the drafts?

In either of those cases, the RGDs take precedence - and there is a typo.

It is a T1 after all - but I was under the impression that it was meant to make it similar / same range as a howie *shrug*
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 03:05:03 am »

 In the launcher it says +120 range.

 As for the T1 thing, I don't mind it being moved to a T2.

 With that being said though, the base range of the 25pdr is more than a little bit absurd to begin with. +75 range might as well be 0. I think the reason you guys put Supercharged as a T1 was because it really just makes the unit a viable choice to put in your company, and if you give it somewhat comparable range to a howie... then that becomes viable. It's just not worth it's resources otherwise.

 I put them in my company because I'm determined to play a game where they earn their keep. So far, no luck. But i'll keep trying.

-Wind
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 03:10:47 am »

250 range is not that bad... 50 less than the 105mm yes, but it's also cheaper.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 03:12:42 am »

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 03:15:23 am »

There was a patch that made the scatter the same as the 105mm so... bad luck?
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 03:19:24 am »

250 range is not that bad... 50 less than the 105mm yes, but it's also cheaper.

That's what I'm trying to tell you Artekas.

 It's not firing 250 range at the moment.

 -Wind
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 03:26:56 am »

You said that the range was poor and that +75 range might as well be 0, that didn't sound like you were talking about a bug but rather how +75 isn't enough.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 03:33:05 am »

From all appearances it doesn't seem to actually give 25pdr's +120 range. It's possible I just don't remember how truly poor 25 pdr base range is, but if with +100 range it is STILL this atrociously pathetic... something needs to be done.

-Wind

 Jesus man it's written in plain english.

 Read the OP for once.

 -Wind
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 03:36:58 am »

I did, and I told you that it was probably being given +75 range, not +120. Your third post did not sound like it was talking about a bug whatsoever, but rather complaining about how much you don't like the 25 pounder.

How can you possibly make such a retarded statement as "read the OP" when I replied to the OP already?

Edit: Also, checked the RGDs, it is in fact +75 range. And it is firing at 250 range at the moment.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 03:41:07 am »

Artekas go to your corner , adults talk now.
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TheWindCriesMary Offline
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 03:54:27 am »

I did, and I told you that it was probably being given +75 range, not +120. Your third post did not sound like it was talking about a bug whatsoever, but rather complaining about how much you don't like the 25 pounder.

How can you possibly make such a retarded statement as "read the OP" when I replied to the OP already?

 The original post of this thread is what this thread is about.

The original post of this thread clearly states that the T1 is not working as advertised in the launcher. That is a bug.

 You were not aware that the launcher description of the skill is +120. You believed it was +75 which is a conclusion you came to from reading the doc drafts.


 EiR mod and I had a brief 2 post side discussion about how the dev's had intended the skill to make the 25pdr competitive with a 105, to which I agreed. I was agreeing and exploring why the intended benefit of the t1 (120 range) is necessary and superior to it's current effect (little or no apparent range increase).

 Now for some reason, inexplicably, you have taken it upon yourself to decide that my third post in this thread, this continuation of EiRmod's line of thought about "what the abillity is intended to do" somehow takes precedence over the first. Now I agree with my ancillarary argument that it doesn't seem like it is actually firing 250, but that if it is, then it is still too short. But that would be subsection B of my argument. The most important part being that it says +120, but isn't getting +120. Why you are focusing on a point that came up later in the thread, rather than the original, seems to indicate you look for arguments whenever and wherever possible for no apparent purpose.

 That baffles me, and it baffles reason.  Especially when your response to the OP was ill-informed (That I was pointing out how the 25pdr was not getting it's advertised range increase, and how the 25pdr's base range could not be so terrible that +120 still only makes it fire so far). Do I blame you for that? Absoloutely not. The discrepencies between the doc drafts and RGD's/launcher have caused confusion before and will again. But I do not put up with people coming into my threads, not reading properly, and then starting an argument because they didn't.

 This thread is about how a doc abillity is not working as advertised. It has now been confirmed to be true, as I suspected. The hope is now that it will be fixed shortly. (Ie. either adjusted to +120, or the description changed to reflect the actual bonus of 75.)

 Now GTFO out of my thread and have a nice day. Find someone else to willfully misinterpret - you picked the wrong guy this time.

 -Wind
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