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DarkSoldierX
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A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 06:38:24 pm »
1. Normal Sherman is 12 pool, and jumbo is 14 pool, and we all know jumbo is worth a bit more than that.
I suggest 17 pool jumbo.
2. 3 man KCH is 9 pool. 4 Man KCH is 9 pool.
I suggest 4 man KCH is put to 12 pool.
Just wanted to try to get this in before next patch.
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 06:50:04 pm »
1. Lmao...that'd be more than a panther which rapes a Jumbo and also more than a tiger in pool value.
2. I might agree there.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 07:00:00 pm »
Woops.
Ok 17 pool jumbo.
And even it if was 19 pool it would be far below pershing/tiger pool.
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TheVolskinator
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 07:13:00 pm »
Ive always thought that 11 or 10 pool for the regular sherman would be fair, seeming as the P4 is *generally* a better tank. I digress.
Jumbo is so expensive you can only field 3 max, and that puts a serious crutch on the amount of infantry you can field. IMO the pool is fine as it is, cuz a stug with pak support will easily floor a jumbo.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 07:22:13 pm »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on September 28, 2011, 07:00:00 pm
Woops.
Ok 17 pool jumbo.
And even it if was 19 pool it would be far below pershing/tiger pool.
you should be banned from balance for suggestions like this.
pool values are fine, although due to its price i think panther should drop to 13-12 pop
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 07:32:48 pm »
Quote from: Spartan_Marine88 on September 28, 2011, 07:22:13 pm
although due to its price i think panther should drop to 13-12 pop
you should be banned from balance for suggestions like this.
You think a jumbo sherman is only 16.6% better than a normal sherman? No wonder you loose so much lol
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 07:48:14 pm »
totally agree with KCH and oaks leaves, not sure about the jmbo, if it was increased you'd have to bring up panthers/tigers/KT/jagd.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 08:12:01 pm »
Don't let your allied bias get to you.
How about a compromise, 16 pool jumbo.
We all know a jumbo's relative power is nowhere near only 16.6%(how much more pool the jumbo cost compared to sherm) more than a sherman.
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Audemed
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 08:18:18 pm »
Does the jumbo's pool cost really matter? It's not like you'll even have any more armor other than 2-3 of them.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 08:26:01 pm »
Quote from: Audemed on September 28, 2011, 08:18:18 pm
Does the jumbo's pool cost really matter? It's not like you'll even have any more armor other than 2-3 of them.
Yes.
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MorkaandBorka
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 08:31:36 pm »
Quote from: TheVolskinator on September 28, 2011, 07:13:00 pm
Ive always thought that 11 or 10 pool for the regular sherman would be fair, seeming as the P4 is *generally* a better tank. I digress.
Jumbo is so expensive you can only field 3 max, and that puts a serious crutch on the amount of infantry you can field. IMO the pool is fine as it is, cuz a stug with pak support will easily floor a jumbo.
Actually the sherman is just as good or better than p4. Me and speedy even tested it out.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 08:57:50 pm »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on September 28, 2011, 07:32:48 pm
you should be banned from balance for suggestions like this.
You think a jumbo sherman is only 16.6% better than a normal sherman? No wonder you loose so much lol
Keep dragging my win/loss ratio in to this eh? I know for a fact that i am alot better of a player then you.
well why dont you face me then, oh yeah its a team game. I win you say its because of my team, you win you say its all you.
Pool is only 1/4 of the cost. To properly look at the unit state its manpower, munitions, fuel and pool cost.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 09:07:38 pm »
Wrong assumptions, pool represents units overall power, as it is meant to reduce spam, and you cannot compare it directly to normal resources, its impossible.
And if pool is only 16.6% more, that assumes it is only 16.6% better than a normal sherman, which it clearly isn't.
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Audemed
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 09:53:21 pm »
Are un-upgraded rangers really 2 1/3 better than riflemen? I think not, but the pool cost demands that they be!
In conclusion:
Buff rangers.
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Malgoroth
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 28, 2011, 10:22:38 pm »
This topic is fail. 12 pool for 4 man KCH? You must be high. 3 man KCH pool should drop 1 or 2 points. 4 man pool shouldn't jump 3. That's ludicrous.
But pools values aren't the mods problem atm.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 29, 2011, 01:06:10 am »
You also forgot to take into consideration that the Jumbo also is 13 pop, while this may not seem like much its enough of a difference.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 29, 2011, 04:47:28 am »
Blarg.
With the connections you people are making, we can make jumbo 20 pool, but reduce cost by 40%, and it would be fine.
Alright 3 man kch should be 8 points, but no way 4 man should be 9 , it should be like 11 or something.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: A few Pool values
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September 29, 2011, 07:09:36 am »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on September 29, 2011, 04:47:28 am
Blarg.
With the connections you people are making, we can make jumbo 20 pool, but reduce cost by 40%, and it would be fine.
Alright 3 man kch should be 8 points, but no way 4 man should be 9 , it should be like 11 or something.
No that is not fine. What i am saying is that you have to look at EVERYTHING in the cost before changing ANYTHING.
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