T57 - Nerf/Buff

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[dlepah]

So why he crying ? Cause somthing other then an atg or FF is hurting his KT

do i have to remind you that t57 is not hummel, you blindfolded fool?

a faction-wide usable arty vs a doctrinal tier 3 arty

if t57 has same cost as hummel and requires tier 3 unlock so that u must give up something else, i'm fine with it.
it seems XIICorps see things only the way he seems pleased

btw the funny thing is that these guys are comparing t57 to hummel, which has a reasonable price.
so if you're arguing that t57s balanced enough, you still have price issue. cuz you must match them with hummels

[XIIcorps]

Do I have to remind you that hummels are easily accessible to SE while T57s are a reward unit and thus limited in appearance.

Its not an overly powerfull unit, apart from having a a somewhat quiet barrage.

Flank the fucking thing with some form of AT, TD missle the bloody thing. Just because it happens to be moderatly effective at hitting KTs isnt nerf worthy.

[dlepah]

Flank the fucking thing with some form of AT, TD missle the bloody thing. Just because it happens to be moderatly effective at hitting KTs isnt nerf worthy.

are you just dumb or just want to shield it from nerfing so that you can use?
what kind logic is that? 'its okay to be powerful cuz its killable.'

the same thing goes to Maus, its killable so it must return so that i can use em to fuck XII up

also the rarity is not valid objection here. t57 drop rate is based on random, so you may have shitload of t57 or none,
which means its circumstantial(i hope assuie education taught you that circumstantial evidences can never be facts)
if rarity could cover the OP problems why Maus had to be removed? it's a fucking legendary. i had 2 Maus total in a month
and don't forget t57s are purchasable thru market(but don't start gold price bullshits, its also circumstantial)

i think XIICorps is the very example of failed EiR balancing. counter OP with something else rather than actually balancing it
it would be very ironic thing if XIICorps argues something in axis is OP later days. cuz whatever OPed unit is it can be killed no matter what

[XIIcorps]

Yes maus was killable but you see the maus was a tank with super duper armor 2 extremly effective cannons, and fired every 6-7 seconds, it was effective vs everything and its only real weakness was its KT speed.

The t57 is a fragile light artillery unit that fires 5 rounds every 150 seconds. The damage it can do per minute is really only knocking out a support weapon, maybe a few troops from 2 squads or around 200 dmg to various stationary vehicles.

You are legitimately the only person whinging about it atm which is odd considering the pershing is the allied OP flavor of the month

[Uglysori]

The thing shouldn't have 100% pen on anything heavier than Cromwell armor frankly especially since the timer is so low.

[XIIcorps]

The thing shouldn't have 100% pen on anything heavier than Cromwell armor frankly especially since the timer is so low.

why not ? Its arty it should count as hitting top/rear armor ? If you have it on one arty unit you gotta have it on all.

Are you guys for getting this thing got a spread nerf and now instead of all shells landing in a 5m radius its closer to 15m radius now

[dlepah]

your logic is becoming fragile by seconds.

now that you mention it, t57 is a LIGHT ARTILLERY unlike hummel HEAVY ARTILLERY(150mm) so how come does it make any sense t57 doing the same job as hummel?
i'm not whining that it can "extremely effective at killing soft targets". and i haven't made any statement of such. i'm just saying that such effectiveness has to be have somekinda downside. and that is the whole point of i'm writing this, STAHP MAKING MASSIVE DAMAGE TO TANKS

fine, have your t57 wipe out any support units or infantries. the axis's main power have always came from the sheer power of armour.
but it can also cripple tanks? no.

look, i've also did not argued before that priest or its crippling barrage was OP cuz something like that always have downside. but for t57, i just can't see any.

[dlepah]

why not ? Its arty it should count as hitting top/rear armor ? If you have it on one arty unit you gotta have it on all.

its a fucking light artillery that dosen't even have loud firing sounds. why the hell are you keep comparing t57 to priest or hummel?
and yet you don't see t57's price is ok. much laugh har har

[XIIcorps]

your logic is becoming fragile by seconds.

now that you mention it, t57 is a LIGHT ARTILLERY unlike hummel HEAVY ARTILLERY(150mm) so how come does it make any sense t57 doing the same job as hummel?
i'm not whining that it can "extremely effective at killing soft targets". and i haven't made any statement of such. i'm just saying that such effectiveness has to be have somekinda downside. and that is the whole point of i'm writing this, STAHP MAKING MASSIVE DAMAGE TO TANKS

fine, have your t57 wipe out any support units or infantries. the axis's main power have always came from the sheer power of armour.
but it can also cripple tanks? no.

look, i've also did not argued before that priest or its crippling barrage was OP cuz something like that always have downside. but for t57, i just can't see any.

calibre and bore of munitions size realism is irrelivent.

The down side to the t57 ?? Its tiny hp and lack of armor are two.

Its a reward unit man it should either
A. Be more effective then doctrinal units

 Or

.B. be cheaper and sl Ightly less effective then doctrinal units

[dlepah]

calibre and bore of munitions size realism is irrelivent.

The down side to the t57 ?? Its tiny hp and lack of armor are two.

Its a reward unit man it should either
A. Be more effective then doctrinal units

 Or

.B. be cheaper and sl Ightly less effective then doctrinal units

tiny HP and lack of armor comes in with EVERY ARTY UNITS
it's a general design of self-propelled gun you dummkopf
the calilbre and bore munition does matter cuz it makes the concept of its unit(why don't we just make a scout version of tiger?)

and there is NO LAW OR REGULATION that reward units are supposed to be outperforming original units.
don't use your own and your own alone conclusion or assumption as logic. L2Think

and i'm keep telling you this, in real world or every other games, LIGHT ARTILLERY does not do the same job as HEAVY ARTILLERY.

your logic is utterly fragile and too easily counterable that i'm actually getting tired.

[GrayWolf]

Light artillery should be Av or AI weapon. With it's speed and accuracy it's a powerful AT weapon which it shouldn't be

[XIIcorps]

tiny HP and lack of armor comes in with EVERY ARTY UNITS
it's a general design of self-propelled gun you dummkopf
the calilbre and bore munition does matter cuz it makes the concept of its unit(why don't we just make a scout version of tiger?)

and there is NO LAW OR REGULATION that reward units are supposed to be outperforming original units.
don't use your own and your own alone conclusion or assumption as logic. L2Think

and i'm keep telling you this, in real world or every other games, LIGHT ARTILLERY does not do the same job as HEAVY ARTILLERY.

your logic is utterly fragile and too easily counterable that i'm actually getting tired.

realism has no validity here you "dummkopf" because.
The are an absolute fuck ton of historical inaccuracies with COH and EIR.
lets not open that door please.

But you still haven't come up with a seriously legitimate reason behind the T57 getting another nerf after last patch it recieved a spread increase and time between shells increase.

Ive said it so many times. Yes it is a moderatly powerful and effective artillery piece, but it is no way unbeatable or invulnerable in its current state.
Again I will draw your attention to flanking and killing it as soon as it makes its presence on the field known.

[AmPM]

Just shorten the range a little, force it to come closer to the front.

[dlepah]

realism has no validity here you "dummkopf" because.
The are an absolute fuck ton of historical inaccuracies with COH and EIR.
lets not open that door please.

But you still haven't come up with a seriously legitimate reason behind the T57 getting another nerf after last patch it recieved a spread increase and time between shells increase.

Ive said it so many times. Yes it is a moderatly powerful and effective artillery piece, but it is no way unbeatable or invulnerable in its current state.
Again I will draw your attention to flanking and killing it as soon as it makes its presence on the field known.

lol this guy is not even listening what i'm saying, 'dont nerf winge winge.' is all hes saying tbh

All i want is decreased penetration.
Not spread
Not speed
Not range
Not armor
Not damage

if you're going to fairly argue that t57 is counterable, you must bring the facts that axis can counter arty the t57
why? cuz all other attempts(flanking, dropping shits behind, offmapping) is entirely rely on circumstances
so clear counter solutions would be counter artying it(as 2 individual units gets fair and even qualifications)

yes i said it, your so called 'solutions' are all circumstantial, so stop using that stupid non sense.

and i wasn't even saying "i can't kill it QQ" you blindfold guy.
killing the t57 and t57's capability is entirely different subject, stop using this to smoke your fragile logic and shameful attempt shielding t57

My point is, as t57 is a light artillery, it should not do massive damages to tanks like heavy artilleries(priests, hummels) does
or if t57 are to remain in current state, its price must be increased to match other heavy artillery cuz t57 can do damaging tanks like heavy artillery.

now stahp avoiding and disgorging bullshit logic, make some actual sense.
how hard is to make an assuie just to get the point?

[GrayWolf]

+1

[tank130]

The fact the T57 has no warning is a big problem that was supposed to be fixed last path