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Author Topic: Most Useless Units/Unused Units and abilities/upgrades  (Read 8154 times)
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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2010, 02:22:27 pm »

i ment the effectiveness of the bonus, nvm.
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2010, 02:36:40 pm »

Other then FG42s could stand an increase in their Mid-range range by 3-4 meters their pretty much fine. Even through the Brens and BARs do have special abilities which make up their cost, FG42s are still individually cheaper then either gun and which have sheer AI ability on their side from the virtue of outnumbering their enemies per squad.
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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2010, 03:46:08 pm »

Yes but Mp44s do their job much better, so really Fg42 doesn't really have a purpose except for ambushing, which doesn't happen that often.
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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2010, 03:52:55 pm »

stag op Lmao, its as good as the m8 and more costly. and doens't come with a mine.

and it only has about 50% more health. (more than an ostwind)
the gun also does 65 dmg instead of m8's 50 dmg.

Completely untrue, I wish people would stop repeating this falsehood that the staghound is somehow tougher than a puma or a M8.

Staghound has 450 hp and stuart armor, M8 has 300 hp and M8 armor.  

Pak vs staghound: 1x acc, 1x dmg, EHP 450.
Pak vs greyhound: .8x acc 1x dmg, EHP 375.

P4 vs staghound: 1x acc, 1x dmg, EHP 450.
P4 vs greyhound: .675x acc, 1x dmg, EHP 444.

Shrek vs staghound: 1x acc, 1x dmg, EHP 450.
Shrek vs greyhound: .584x acc, .7x dmg, EHP 734.

Now some of these misses on the greyhound will hit at close range, mostly with shreks and occasionally with the P4.  But as you can see, the staghound does not have the durability of a tank.  It is in fact very similar to the M8 in durability.  

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True, could give it med crush and human crush. Its new gun does have higher accuracy, but only hits 1 guy and lacks suppression....the Stag is by far better for AI, and about the same for AT really...

The stuart is far superior to the stag against vehicles.  It fires roughly 80% faster and has better moving accuracy.  In addition, it has better penetration at longer range and M8 armor.  It is basically a British upgunned puma.
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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2010, 03:56:47 pm »

Yes, because I really want to penetrate that mortar HT at long range....which most anything does anyway....now if it actually did some damage or didn't take forever to de-crew a PAK gun or kill infantry it might be fun.

As it is right now, well, there are better options.

Why was it given a Puma 50mm gun anyway? The 37mm + Canister was fine for shooting light vehicles and it could at least fight infantry.
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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2010, 04:14:20 pm »

The PE anti building barrage i've used on quite a few occasions, generally it does nothing to inf/tanks or buildings, maybe some damage but i've never seen it destroy a building i've targeted it on and it certainly wont kill any unit inside. However i've noticed you can target it anywhere on the map, even places you can't see with units, and it completely demolishes british emplacements in 2-3 hits, so it's pretty much guarenteed to kill any near where it's targeted. Whether that's worth it is debateable Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2010, 04:27:27 pm »

Yes but Mp44s do their job much better, so really Fg42 doesn't really have a purpose except for ambushing, which doesn't happen that often.

Yes, MP44s do a better job than FG42s, but only if assaulting, at every other range the FG42 beats the MP44. The FG42 is alot more flexible then MP44s by either engaging at long or short range then just only at short range.
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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2010, 04:30:45 pm »

anti building barrage should be removed. it is not only amazingly fake, but you can also just take out a bunch of emplacements or a triage center trough the FOW.
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2010, 04:40:53 pm »

Yes but Mp44s do their job much better, so really Fg42 doesn't really have a purpose except for ambushing, which doesn't happen that often.

Yes, MP44s do a better job than FG42s, but only if assaulting, at every other range the FG42 beats the MP44. The FG42 is alot more flexible then MP44s by either engaging at long or short range then just only at short range.

 The StG44 was actually a good gun at range but whats history have to do with it...
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2010, 04:41:40 pm »

Yes, because I really want to penetrate that mortar HT at long range....which most anything does anyway....now if it actually did some damage or didn't take forever to de-crew a PAK gun or kill infantry it might be fun.

Stuart is an upgunned puma equivelent.  It does excellent damage against vehicles and can harass tanks.  If you want anti-infantry, get a stag.

Compared to the staghound, the stuart will kill a mortar HT roughly 3 times faster.

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As it is right now, well, there are better options.

Such as?

Also it does not have the upgunned puma gun.
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