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[Tym]

What gimmick company do you have? Does it work?

Mine is rifle/arty, thinking about having a ranger/m8 one as well

[Righteous Path #2]

I have a flammenwerfer pioneer/ 1/2track company, and a clown car company, one on my allied, and one on my allied, with goliaths/demo charges and a armor spam one, with m8s, m10s, and jeeps. Although I do have my main companies balanced, I just use the gimmicks for teh epic lulz & epic funz.

[Tym]

heh

[Draygon]

I have 0...balance is the way to go.

Personally I think players that play with gimmick companies are shite and show they have no talent/skill for such a game.

[Righteous Path #2]

Awwwwww come on, don't you think a gimmick company can be fun? I never play mine, unless I'm just looking for cheap fun.

[Draygon]

Honestly I see no fun in it, whats it prove? That you can buy as many units of that type and constantly spam it, showing now skill?

No thanks, take that shit elsewhere.

[IrisDane]

I did make a Gimmick company as my old armor account. It had like 30some Jeeps and tons of M10s

[Tym]

I did mine for fun. Ever play against a stug/sniper spam....lmao

[IrisDane]

Yes easy to counter they call it Pershing Spam.

[Dr.Nick2]

25 rangers, 10 rifles, 1 croc, 1 sherman, 4 howies

[Novox]

62 volks
10 stugs.


Draygon. Im sorry but i believe spam does require some skill. Depending on what you spam. Since if your spamming volks, they get surpressed easy, therefore u actually have to flank HMG's which is always fun

[RikiRude5]

Since I never played it, I was never able to try it out. But I always wanted to do a two king tiger company with all volks and maybe a repair bunker. almost every volks call in would have a faust and mp40. and call ins would be 3 squad call ins. I wasn't sure what T4 would go with it, probably subversion. But you need something like 30 RBs into fuel to afford two KTs.

[vet0]

this is how stormies got nerfed, people would be noobs and make whole companies of them even though they are meant for supporting your compoany,  and then some people go on sides just to prove stuff is op, which makes dash  nerf them, well this used to happen

[relentless707]

It defeats the point of the Game - Real Time Strategy, not Real Time Spam but I guess we are all entitled to play our own way.

Novox - the Volks thing is a valid point but I wouldn't call that Strategic, more common sense because charging a load of Infantry head on at a Machinegun is asking for a world of pain lol

- Schwarzuhr

[Novox]

It defeats the point of the Game - Real Time Strategy, not Real Time Spam but I guess we are all entitled to play our own way.

Novox - the Volks thing is a valid point but I wouldn't call that Strategic, more common sense because charging a load of Infantry head on at a Machinegun is asking for a world of pain lol

- Schwarzuhr

lmao yup. but i think your forget that Spam is an actual strategy, if you consider it. Its actually a counter strategy for artilery, because no matter how many calliope shots you fire... i will always have volks on the field. Due to that, it forces them to field more arti (i've seen it happen, since thompsons are expensive to field to simply kill volks)

then they overinflate themselves with arti and no capping power, which i am made off, allowing me to counter attack They can rush a croc once or twice, until they notice my company contains 30 fausts... removing that idea from their mind

It might be a dirty strategy and one that requires less amount of thinking then i emplaced, but it is a strategy indeed. The only time this company even struggles is when its on the offensive, and goes head on with massive amounts of HMGs. At that moment, u simply bring out one of your 10 stugs to make room at the front line.

The only reason people get annoyed by spam is because players get the chance to risk units without fearing being out attritioned, basicly sending volks to their death bed from the begining of the game. I've played 3-4 games with that company, and i never dropped under loosing 20 volk squads :|

[relentless707]

It defeats the point of the Game - Real Time Strategy, not Real Time Spam but I guess we are all entitled to play our own way.

Novox - the Volks thing is a valid point but I wouldn't call that Strategic, more common sense because charging a load of Infantry head on at a Machinegun is asking for a world of pain lol

- Schwarzuhr

lmao yup. but i think your forget that Spam is an actual strategy, if you consider it. Its actually a counter strategy for artilery, because no matter how many calliope shots you fire... i will always have volks on the field. Due to that, it forces them to field more arti (i've seen it happen, since thompsons are expensive to field to simply kill volks)

then they overinflate themselves with arti and no capping power, which i am made off, allowing me to counter attack They can rush a croc once or twice, until they notice my company contains 30 fausts... removing that idea from their mind

It might be a dirty strategy and one that requires less amount of thinking then i emplaced, but it is a strategy indeed. The only time this company even struggles is when its on the offensive, and goes head on with massive amounts of HMGs. At that moment, u simply bring out one of your 10 stugs to make room at the front line.

The only reason people get annoyed by spam is because players get the chance to risk units without fearing being out attritioned, basicly sending volks to their death bed from the begining of the game. I've played 3-4 games with that company, and i never dropped under loosing 20 volk squads :|

Trouble is though if anyone is using some form of Artillery, be it Howitzers or Calliopes they will hit your swarm of Volks and gain Veterancy, if you charge in they will pull it back or no doubt have an AT/MG shield around it so using a Stug or Volk spam will fail badly and cost you a lot in the process all the while improving the other guys Veterancy and chances of winning with less call-in's used.

I still think Balanced is the way to go and in that circumstance you just said - would be a far superior counter because of less units on the field and the combination you can use is far more potent than one particular type ie Volks with Fausts.

Thats just my take on it mind

- Schwarzuhr

[Novox]

It defeats the point of the Game - Real Time Strategy, not Real Time Spam but I guess we are all entitled to play our own way.

Novox - the Volks thing is a valid point but I wouldn't call that Strategic, more common sense because charging a load of Infantry head on at a Machinegun is asking for a world of pain lol

- Schwarzuhr

lmao yup. but i think your forget that Spam is an actual strategy, if you consider it. Its actually a counter strategy for artilery, because no matter how many calliope shots you fire... i will always have volks on the field. Due to that, it forces them to field more arti (i've seen it happen, since thompsons are expensive to field to simply kill volks)

then they overinflate themselves with arti and no capping power, which i am made off, allowing me to counter attack They can rush a croc once or twice, until they notice my company contains 30 fausts... removing that idea from their mind

It might be a dirty strategy and one that requires less amount of thinking then i emplaced, but it is a strategy indeed. The only time this company even struggles is when its on the offensive, and goes head on with massive amounts of HMGs. At that moment, u simply bring out one of your 10 stugs to make room at the front line.

The only reason people get annoyed by spam is because players get the chance to risk units without fearing being out attritioned, basicly sending volks to their death bed from the begining of the game. I've played 3-4 games with that company, and i never dropped under loosing 20 volk squads :|

Trouble is though if anyone is using some form of Artillery, be it Howitzers or Calliopes they will hit your swarm of Volks and gain Veterancy, if you charge in they will pull it back or no doubt have an AT/MG shield around it so using a Stug or Volk spam will fail badly and cost you a lot in the process all the while improving the other guys Veterancy and chances of winning with less call-in's used.

I still think Balanced is the way to go and in that circumstance you just said - would be a far superior counter because of less units on the field and the combination you can use is far more potent than one particular type ie Volks with Fausts.

Thats just my take on it mind

- Schwarzuhr

Though that is true, you are forgetting that an ATG is not a problem. I've had 3 fielded on me all at once. All i got to do is bum rush em, steal em and hide them in the back. Or if i have 5 volks running in a blob, attack on the gun to blow it up. I never rush for the artilery unless i see its undefended... usually a howitzer. I ignore artilery all together. Scopes give me superior range over units and basicly puts them at par with rifles. I can ignore tanks, until they try to squish or get up close with 'fausts, so the stugs arn't even there for AT. They are there to throw at buildings and ATG's.

Sure a balanced army has less flaws in it and is able to counter a lot more, but dont forget that a specialised army can over run a balanced company if it forces the opponent to play his game. In other words. If my company removes all HMG's on the map, then i force my opponent to play a heavy infantry role, which im obviously superior in. Arguable, but only a triage will bother me, and that requires 2 stugs to roll up to it and stand there. Who cares if they die If i eat away men on their side, I can loose a whole squad and still out attrition. Thats the beauty of it

[UnLimiTeD]

People don't like spam companies because of the fixed nature of companies.
You can Spam a unit until the enemy ran out of counter for it.
In vCoH spam does not work because if someone spams volks, you can spam greyhounds, hmgs or simply bar squads.

You can counter a Spam Company the best with a counter spam company.
For Novox Strategy I recommend Infantry, 137 MP per Rifle, or maybe a cohesion company, get the rifles 65% extra hitpoints, and still the price of a volk.
Quadspam will work aswell, or triages with smgrangers.

This are all valid strategies, but they are all spam.

[Novox]

People don't like spam companies because of the fixed nature of companies.
You can Spam a unit until the enemy ran out of counter for it.
In vCoH spam does not work because if someone spams volks, you can spam greyhounds, hmgs or simply bar squads.

You can counter a Spam Company the best with a counter spam company.
For Novox Strategy I recommend Infantry, 137 MP per Rifle, or maybe a cohesion company, get the rifles 65% extra hitpoints, and still the price of a volk.
Quadspam will work aswell, or triages with smgrangers.

This are all valid strategies, but they are all spam.

smg rangers are far too expensive, for every 2 squads you kill, im happy with killing 2 men from your squad.

The only thing i can fear is, like u said, rifle spam with cohesion, but what are the chances of me running into that, and if i know the player, i'll switch over to my 50 gren company, especially with scopes, ill be able to overpower him. Quads seem like they would "bother me" but they aren't that good. They are expensive and fragile units, and they only become a problem at the very start, but with MI, its not even a predicting game, ill send 2 stugs to remove it, and its still cost efficient.

Cohesion is a problem because of superior GI, if you add nades on them its even a greater problem for me. BARS i can live with. If you run the same company as me, but in allies, that is, 62 riflemen, and 7 M10's. I will be in for a greater problem, but then it becomes a battle of skill, since i believe scopes puts me at par with rifles, and even much more superior at range. You will also NEED vet on your rifles, since more then 50% of my squad is vet 2, and mp40's here and there. I still believe HMG spam is my greatest problem, but thats where yelling at my teamate to do all he can to remove them comes to play.

Don't forget, its never a 1v1 battle. You will always have an ally. Though my company might specialise, the majority of people have a balanced company that can just take care of it, while im specialised.

The worst combo you can come across with spam is me and shultzz.

Both have 30 'fausts. I have stug spam. He has Lighting War with Puma spam.

[Tym]

I dont understand the issue against spam companies. in real life you'd have whole divisions of just mobile infantry men, with some anti tank back up or whatever. It's very realistic in a sense.