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[gamesguy2]

so shreks have more than 225 damage each? have a reload time of less than 3? have a long range accuracy of more than 115?

they are not because they are almost unable to hit that light vehicle spam running around on long range....

Bazookas have an even harder timer hitting light vehicles like pumas and ACs, being much less accurate than shreks at long range.

Shreks have better accuracy than bazookas, lets ignore that for now.   Shrek does 120 damage, bazooka does 75 damage, same reload.

Shrek penetration vs sherman is 0.878, bazooka penetration vs skirted P4 is .337, it also has a 1.2 damage modifier vs the skirted P4.

Shreks do 120*.878+120*(1-.878)*.15=108 Average damage per shot to sherman.

Bazooka do (75*.337+75(1-.337)*.15)*1.2=39 Average damage per shot to P4.

108/39=2.76 times more.  Then we add in the fact that the shrek has less scatter and has better medium range accuracy, the shrek is more than three times better than the bazooka.

Concession accepted.

[nugnugx]

Put skirts on your tanks.. the stickies only have a .5 chance to penetrate

oh yes that solves all of the at handheld problems and disputes in eir , why didn't i think of it

[gamesguy2]

stickie is for a different role , 1 stickie and ur tank is basicaly done for in eir.

sad that you can only use personal attacks as an argument in a talk

"stop lying" "dont be an idiot"

Sad that you have to rely on lying as an argument.   The "relic shrek nerf" you mentioned was from march of 2008.  So you basically lied when you said relic nerfed shreks.

Can a mod close this thread already?  Nugnug basically just lied in his post, his entire argument is based on a lie.

[BigDick]

eh not enough that shreks costs shitloads of munitions paks are way more in munitions (30%) and a more expensive tank like panzerIV that get insta PWNd by piats and raped by cheaper shermans and m10..he should spend 80more munitions?

and it is very seldom i saw a sticky doing nothing

[nugnugx]

so shreks have more than 225 damage each? have a reload time of less than 3? have a long range accuracy of more than 115?

they are not because they are almost unable to hit that light vehicle spam running around on long range....

Bazookas have an even harder timer hitting light vehicles like pumas and ACs, being much less accurate than shreks at long range.

Shreks have better accuracy than bazookas, lets ignore that for now.   Shrek does 120 damage, bazooka does 75 damage, same reload.

Shrek penetration vs sherman is 0.878, bazooka penetration vs skirted P4 is .337, it also has a 1.2 damage modifier vs the skirted P4.

Shreks do 120*.878+120*(1-.878)*.15=108 Average damage per shot to sherman.

Bazooka do (75*.337+75(1-.337)*.15)*1.2=39 Average damage per shot to P4.

108/39=2.76 times more.  Then we add in the fact that the shrek has less scatter and has better medium range accuracy, the shrek is more than three times better than the bazooka.

Concession accepted.

don't forget to mention that zookas come in 2  and on a more mobile platform , you can fireup get close hit and then hit again as the tank gets away.
yes zooka is worse than schreck that is why it costs 80mu

but it was schreck vs rr

[gamesguy2]

eh not enough that shreks costs shitloads of munitions paks are way more in munitions (30%) and a more expensive tank like panzerIV that get insta PWNd by piats and raped by cheaper shermans and m10..he should spend 80more munitions?

and it is very seldom i saw a sticky doing nothing

So much lying in this post.   Paks get free cloak and AP rounds for that measely munitions cost.  57mm with AP costs more than pak and limited number of uses.

Shermans lose to panzer IVs unless it gets upgun, in which case the sherman costs MORE than the panzer IV.

M10 is at best evenly matched with P4.   P4 with skirts beat the M10.   In addition, a stug beats a sherman easilly.

[gamesguy2]

don't forget to mention that zookas come in 2  and on a more mobile platform , you can fireup get close hit and then hit again as the tank gets away.
yes zooka is worse than schreck that is why it costs 80mu

but it was schreck vs rr

Don't forget that zookas are only available to infantry doctrine on an availability 4 elite unit that costs much more than grenadiers.  And that using fire up to chase a tank is good way to get owned by exhaustion.

Learn to read, me and bigdick was talking about shrek vs zook.

[nugnugx]

u will soon prove gamesguys that everything that allies have loose to axis troops rofl

[BigDick]

In addition, a stug beats a sherman easilly.

maybe if you are drunk or on drugs using your shermans

[BigDick]

Learn to read, me and bigdick was talking about shrek vs zook.

yes and i don't see a shrek is more than 3 times better than a bazooka (like one should expect compairing costs) but i wait for your proves

but it is always the same "some experts look at the price and at the stats and say this and that is better"

"lmg42 is better than bren or bar"-> they get 2 fucking bren lmgs (that fucking works as vehicle disable) they get 2 fucking bars (that fucking works a 360° pin ans shoot while moving)

"shreks are better than bazookas..or recoiles or piats" they get 2 fucking piats (that do fucking rear hit from the front can fucking overshoot everything and get an ambush) 2 fucking bazookas (for 80 mun) and 2 fucking recoilless (that almost never misses and penetrates everything easily from the front)

us see? you always compare 1 weapon VS 2 with additional tasks

so stop your fucking trolling and get your facts together

[nugnugx]

If i could take 2 zookas on my grens for 80 mu instead of 1 schreck for 120 i would do it anyday

i know , lets give schreck to allies on rifles and  zooka and rr to axis , then we will see how much do you like the missing 1 schreck for 120 and 2nd 130


lets do some math for anti tank role


2 grens with 4 schrecks cost me 500 mu

2 rangers with 4 zookas costs 160 mu

2 ab with 4 rr costs 340 mu

2 sappers with 4 piats 200 mu

see the difference

for the price of 4 schrecks you get  -  12 zookas  , 6 rr , 10 piats 

now that is far more powerfull  , isn't it ?

[EscforrealityTLS]

This whole thread is a disgrace, it is nothing more than flaming FANBOISM. I second the motion to have this thread locked.

[Mysthalin]

Thread requires locking.
Now.

Both gamesguy and nugnug are wrong, being fanboyish, and this is devolving quickly into a flamewar.

[VariantThirteen]

Lock please. This is giving Axis players a bad name.

[Staplerfahrer]

Yeah, this thread needs a lock.  Too much speculation and forum theorizing from all parties involved.

[EIRRMod]

LOCKED for my damn sanity