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[Mgallun74]

Both my Grand Dads where in ww2, western front...

one of their famailies migrated from prussia in early 1900s to us...

[Tymathee]

wow, lots of quoting quotes of quotes.

btw Pauli, horrid idea, another axis player trying to make their already amazing company better lol. I find it funny that some of the mots absurd ideas or allied whiners come from people who are actually pretty damn good.

[crimsonrabbit]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

We need to quote more quotes, Quote more quotes!

No we don't! And you never mentioned those grand daddys! Tell me more!

Even tough it is of topic yes i do need to know wtf are these granddaddies=?

QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE!
My granddaddy was in the Wehrmacht, first in the Eastern front then transferred to the Western front. He is like 89 right now and he doesnt enjoy talking about the war too much.

[Guderian]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

We need to quote more quotes, Quote more quotes!

No we don't! And you never mentioned those grand daddys! Tell me more!

Even tough it is of topic yes i do need to know wtf are these granddaddies=?

QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE!
My granddaddy was in the Wehrmacht, first in the Eastern front then transferred to the Western front. He is like 89 right now and he doesnt enjoy talking about the war too much.

That made me think about many things. hmmm

[Glaze]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

We need to quote more quotes, Quote more quotes!

No we don't! And you never mentioned those grand daddys! Tell me more!

Even tough it is of topic yes i do need to know wtf are these granddaddies=?

QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE!
My granddaddy was in the Wehrmacht, first in the Eastern front then transferred to the Western front. He is like 89 right now and he doesnt enjoy talking about the war too much.

That made me think about many things. hmmm

Agreed!

[Mysthalin]

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.


P4s would only be reliable killable with 57 mm AT guns - and they would get circlestrafed due to no buttoning or stickies to stop the P4.

Frankly - bad idea.

does pauli play allied too?

He plays them more often than you play Axis, if that answers your question

i have a axis account, just nobody knows its name 

Your grandads will kill you.

ya, but iam sure their grand daddys who were born east of berlin wouldnt 

We need to quote more quotes, Quote more quotes!

No we don't! And you never mentioned those grand daddys! Tell me more!

Even tough it is of topic yes i do need to know wtf are these granddaddies=?

QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE!
My granddaddy was in the Wehrmacht, first in the Eastern front then transferred to the Western front. He is like 89 right now and he doesnt enjoy talking about the war too much.

That made me think about many things. hmmm

Agreed!

+1 to Kolath's heart attack.

[GDWhite]

If it's not broken do not change it.

That's what they said about slavery, dick.
How about some constructive criticism with your racism?

I thought it sounded like a good idea, besides the inability to becoming buttoned.
The ability to slow a charging tank is pretty much the only thing the Brits have (which I do not play, ever.) 17 lbers don't even need to be circle-strafed. All P4's need to do is lock down behind one, and, unless the Brit is RE, then I don't think they will be able to turn fast enough before they get bloweded up.

Also, 17 lbers aren't used all that often at all, so this is pretty straw mannish.

[Mgallun74]

If it's not broken do not change it.

That's what they said about slavery, dick.
How about some constructive criticism with your racism?

damn.. lol.

[Warlight]

If it's not broken do not change it.

That's what they said about slavery, dick.
How about some constructive criticism with your racism?

damn.. lol.

I don't understand this

[Mgallun74]

If it's not broken do not change it.

That's what they said about slavery, dick.
How about some constructive criticism with your racism?

damn.. lol.

I don't understand this

umm... k.. dont worry about it, you may hurt yourself.

[GDWhite]

Dang, you guys are quick. I threw in my own constructive criticism.

[SaintPauli]

Why do Blitz players keep suggesting super buffs for their units?  You don't see players of other doctrines coming up with completely absurd I-Win buttons and then proposing them in complete seriousness...

If anything, you're giving axis a mega-buff if you change skirts to work like that.

does pauli play allied too?

btw Pauli, horrid idea, another axis player trying to make their already amazing company better lol.

Why did I know this would happen? I know it’s human nature to expect another to be selfish but could you morons please read the suggestion and do the math before you accuse me of anything. This is what the suggestion would do in terms of numbers:

Sticky bombs:
This cost the axis player about the same as the sticky bombs. Allied player buys 4 sticky bombs. Axis player buys skirts on 4 tanks that become immune to the critical effect. The sticky bombs still does FULL damage (100-150)

Bazookas (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Frontal Dam + 33%
Frontal Pen + 33%
Rear Dam +33%
Rear Pen – 66%

Piats: (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Frontal Dam + 33%
Frontal Pen + 33%
Rear Dam +33%
Rear Pen – 66%

Recoilless Rifles: (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Frontal Dam + 33%
Frontal Pen + 33% ( full pen)
Rear Dam +33%
Rear Pen +0% (full pen)

AT Guns (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Dam + 11%

Tanks (suggested skirts in comparison to current skirts)
Dam + 11%

The proposed side skirts gives ONLY GIVES PROTECTION VS REAR ARMOR HITS. Frontal hit on the suggested skirts will be exactly the same as an attack vs. a non skirted tank.  In terms of protection this will be a HUGE NERF to axis. Since the skirts no longer improve frontal armor it mainly hits the ones that excel in long distance combat - Blitz! On the other hand it now gives axis the same possibility as allies to use blitz tactics and skirmish fighting with tanks (still a risky and non advisable tactics if you want to keep your vet). Defense and Terror will be more durable in this role and where as blitz will have “less armored” tanks that are better at getting in and out quick.   

 Guderian came with a suggestion that would allow real blitz tactics to be applied to axis tank play in CoH. I have had a similar idea for a long time and have tried to improve on his suggestion. If you guys don’t like it fine. Please post why you don’t like it or try and correct some of the numbers or add ideas to improve the suggestion. Don’t post moronic comments about me. I’m trying to help with ideas that I think will help or add to the gameplay in this mod. 


Note: Could a MOD please clean up this tread.

[Mukip]

The thing about stickies and button is they keep axis tanks from just driving straight into allied troops and overunning them, it makes the axis players wary and gives the allies a chance to fight them at range with at guns.  Nobody cares about sticky damage, it's the engine critical that counts.  It's not just removing buttoning and stickies crits but removing the percieved threat of them that will have more of an effect than you realize.  "blitz tactics" essentially comes down to just driving tanks into the other guys army and trying to run over as many guys as possible whilst circle strafing their at.  Any noob can do that, tanks don't need upgrades which encourage it's use.

[Killer344]

..... lol p4s will get owned by zooks and rrs from the front with this change Mukip..

[Tymathee]

No one uses stickies to damage tank, you use stickies to crit tanks. And if you eliminate button, then you just give blitz a total run over of all brit players.

[Bubz]

SaintPauli, you said immunity to button and sticky critics and p4 frontal armor as rear armor vs handheld at, common. There is a limit to every bias.

[GDWhite]

Note: Could a MOD please clean up this tread.

It IS kinda dirty.

[AmPM]

No one uses stickies to damage tank, you use stickies to crit tanks. And if you eliminate button, then you just give blitz a total run over of all brit players.

Similar to how now that Fausts dont crit worth a damn allied players are just running tanks in again.

[Freek]

Fausts damage tanks, cheaply you idiot.  Then there are shreks, and the occasional dual shrekker squad of do0m.  Not to mention paks, and any axis tank will beat a regular sherman...

So w/e, AmPm.

[Glaze]

*thought GDWhite was really clever there*