Mysthalin
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« on: July 10, 2009, 02:07:39 pm » |
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An interesting axis defend game on the genious map that is Church. Will the allied forces manage to defeat the well entrenched axis forces? Will the churchills fail like they always do? Will the brave pioneers of the Third Reich and their mines stave off the allied advance? Will tank supperiority decide the battle, or will infantry hiding in their silly little foxholes influence the battle more? Will there be an 88? Will a gremlin rip off a track off a bren carrier? (Well, probably not). Watch and find out. http://rapidshare.com/files/254313817/vsPauliPak.zip.html |
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 02:22:14 pm » |
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horrible replay. nothing there that stands out other then how OP bren carriers are now along with piats. A nerf is needed.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 02:24:21 pm » |
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horrible replay. nothing there that stands out other then how OP bren carriers are now along with piats. A nerf is needed.
Amen! Also the units inside the bren carrier needs to be susceptible to flame. |
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| Pak88mm
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 02:43:00 pm » |
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horrible replay. nothing there that stands out other then how OP bren carriers are now along with piats. A nerf is needed.
Amen! Also the units inside the bren carrier needs to be susceptible to flame. yup every party wagon/ clown car pays the price for carrying men and being flamed to death. Brens are resistant to it but also allow all their occupants to fire. they can are extremely durable to small arms fire unlike IHTs |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 02:46:51 pm » |
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they're changing bren carriers next patch, can we stop fussing about them now? This is really getting old.
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AmPM
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2009, 02:47:17 pm » |
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One thing that does need to be checked, how much more durable is the M3 compared to the Axis HT. It seems like its armor is actually tougher by far.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2009, 03:06:30 pm » |
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I didn't think it was a particularly notable game either tbh. The allies succeed in breaking through the axis defence and the Churchills don't suck for a change. The bren carriers didn't actually do much in this game to be fair.
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Tymathee
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 03:07:43 pm » |
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One thing that does need to be checked, how much more durable is the M3 compared to the Axis HT. It seems like its armor is actually tougher by far.
It's not, it does to schrecks in about 2 3 hits, and paks about the same. Axis ht's just seem to go down faster cuz the allies main at are at guns are they hit harder than paks so it will go down faster. The both have the same armor type and the same health but the target type is different. pak and at gun do 1.5 dmg vs the respective half tracks so a 57 vs wehr ht is 225 which would mean it only takes two shots to take it out. pak vs m3 is 172.5 so that's also two shots...its just that the initial 57 shot does more damage. |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 03:14:05 pm » |
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Taken from CoHstats.com . Anyone is welcome to check it up on Corsix for a more accurate representation.
The K98 has the exact same chance of penetrating a bren as an M1 Garand and Lee Enfield has penetrating a Wehr HT (10 percent).
Continuing...
The STG44 and Commando Sten :
MP44 has 10 times less chance to penetrate an M3 than a sten has to penetrate a wehr HT. The sten is in line with the rifles, the MP44 is the one that's the "weakling"(could use slight tweak if it's true).
Ranger Thompson :
Same as commando sten. 10 percent chance to pen.
So basicaly, it's only the STG44 that's out of whack.
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Sharpshooter824
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 07:50:06 pm » |
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What exactly is wrong with the bren carrier..its the exact same thing as an IHT but contains less units and has a weaker gun on it.. can somebody please explain what all the fuss is about it?
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 10:38:09 pm » |
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the bren in eir has different stats than in vcoh. its made to be harder to kill. it is not a bug... it was intentional by some or one dev. i heard it is going to be changed in the next patch...
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 10:48:49 pm » |
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almost all vehicles in EIR now cannot really be damaged by small arms fire. Even Whermact bikes take little or no damage from tommy infantry or riflemen, only the Brens or Bars do significant damage. Its the same with PE vehicles, and now the bren carrier.
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Smokaz
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 10:50:29 pm » |
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i really hope they are not planning to move completey away from parts of the original soft counter system in vcoh
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AmPM
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 11:10:56 pm » |
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What exactly is wrong with the bren carrier..its the exact same thing as an IHT but contains less units and has a weaker gun on it.. can somebody please explain what all the fuss is about it?
It also has another fireport and costs less. Did it ever get that increased spotting range? |
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2009, 12:18:24 am » |
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2009, 03:18:23 am » |
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i really hope they are not planning to move completey away from parts of the original soft counter system in vcoh
They've already done, when they started to change PE, because people sucked with it. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2009, 05:37:01 am » |
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horrible replay. nothing there that stands out other then how OP bren carriers are now along with piats. A nerf is needed.
i watched the replay it was more that huge amount of allways hitting and penetrating vet recoiless airborneblob that made you loosing that game that is not the first time i see mudkips recoiless airborne hoard blob... maybe something is here wrong (airbornes to cheap?, recoiless to cheap?, availabilty of airbornes to high? to much buffs in the doctrine for this single unit type?, to low exp requirement for vet?) i don't know but that recoilless airbornes costs you the game |
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2009, 12:26:20 pm » |
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in this game to be fair. brencarriers with HMG upgrade in vcoh are op as fuck. Till t2. |
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