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Author Topic: M8 Armored Car  (Read 7690 times)
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CrazyWR Offline
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2009, 08:42:34 pm »

munis, otherwise they aren't worth it.  I'm not spending more fuel on an m8 when a t17 would do the same job for less fuel instead...
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2009, 09:17:35 pm »

Just leave it as it is, the M8 is fine.
The thing is already effective as it is, no need to make it any cheaper; it earns its cost back easily enough, anyways.
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2009, 09:31:44 pm »

i dont destroy it, its just...in every single post there is at least 1 wrong statement. is it really so hard to visit this page: www.coh-stats.com ? no it isnt

Just cuz you're a smart ass.

panther does 137.5 damage and m8's have 150 health. There's a critical table and that would take the damage above 150 if a panther does a crit, especially since m8's have no penetration resistance against panthers, its probably higher. I could look up the crit tables but i dont feel like it but i knwo for sure that a panther has critted my unskirted m8's, ditto paks but less likely.
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Freek Offline
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 09:35:59 pm »

Pumas do a better job and cost less... same w/ armored cars.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2009, 11:19:04 pm »

Puma's also can't penetrate tanks without the upgun, and m8's can (from the ass of course) Puma's just do a better job vs infantry but M8's are better support vehicles because of the mines and the .50 and the fact that they can do reasonable damage vs tanks (i've killed my fair share of tanks with m8's)
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Freek Offline
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2009, 11:21:30 pm »

yeah, m8's can kill tanks kinda like a rifle squad with a zook can...

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Mysthalin Offline
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2009, 11:57:05 pm »

Thing is, an M8 without skirts is absolutely useless.
You just won't find any use for it - even the top MG gunner won't make it more useful if it does not have the skirts.

I've actually personally witnessed an unskirted M8 die in 3 seconds to a double LMG squad.

To all the axis players saying the M8 is "fine". Please turn on your american account, and get at least 3 kills with a vanilla M8, then post the replay.

Thank you for your attention, now please throw the bias out the window.
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jackmccrack Offline
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2009, 12:00:17 am »

I've gotten up to 14 inf kills and a couple light vehicles kills but alas the M8 was skirted.  Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2009, 12:02:29 am »

Read : Vanilla M8.
Means no skirts, NOTHING. Well, I'll alow a repair kit (lol).
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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2009, 01:53:15 am »

Read : Vanilla M8.
Means no skirts, NOTHING. Well, I'll alow a repair kit (lol).
Why? What does this have to do with the discussion at all? We know that Skirts are an important, almost essential upgrade for M8, and no one's arguing that. We're discussing the Skirts cost/cost-effectiveness, not whether or not an M8 does well without any upgrades.

I run three fully-upgraded M8s in my battalion, and do very well with them.
The key here is to not simply look at Skirts as an upgrade that give 150 more HP, but as an upgrade that doubles an M8s life expectancy, and it's effectiveness.
As much as I'd love to see my M8s made cheaper in some way, I can really see no valid reason to do so. But if some price change were to take place, Skirts should remain a MU cost, rather than a MP/FU cost.

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I've actually personally witnessed an unskirted M8 die in 3 seconds to a double LMG squad.
This, however, is a full-on lie.
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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2009, 02:10:11 am »

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We know that Skirts are an important, almost essential upgrade for M8, and no one's arguing that
My point exactly. Why is there even an OPTION to buy the non-skirted M8? Without skirts, the M8 has no use at all, whatsoever, nada - and thusly, the M8 should come with the skirts as an integral part of it, for a slightly increased fuel price of the unit. A skirted M8 with no other upgrades is hardly much better than a stuart with no further upgrades - why should it cost the same ammount of Fuel and MP, and also have a munitions cost attached?
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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2009, 09:28:44 am »

lol...I used to run a triple M8 call in on me armor doctrine...fully upgraded..wow that was alot of munis but it raped PE... failed hard VS wehr...but definitely raped PE..
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« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2009, 11:02:21 am »

I know I speak sacrilage, but I used to run 2 m8s w 50s but NO SKIRTS! (skirts are for women not cars silly). I got plenty of infantry kills with them. Run from paks, tanks, shrecks, but I thought that would be obvious. They were cheaper w/o the dresses and still did the job right. Flank w them, circle a pak, I dont think I ever got one shotted, kill some infantry. dont whine etc, carry on, good show, cowabunga dudes
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« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2009, 11:11:30 am »

You can run m8's without skrits, just keep them away from at unless you have a quad with them (which is like the infantry raper combo btw) If you're planning on using m8's in a limit focus, than you dont buy skirts, if you plan on running them as a main part of your force and trying to keep them alive ,then you get skirts.
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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2009, 11:15:09 am »

You could even get a cost-effective churchil Mk 4, with no doctrine bonuses, if the enemy had no counters to it fielded. Frankly - anything is powerful if there is no counter on the field against it at the time...

But even more frankly - replay or it didn't happen(and apollo/rocksitter as the axis players don't count).
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