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[salan]

I laugh at the group zeal .. why does everyone complain about it. 1 doctrine out of 12 gets it, you think its group zeal causing blobbing?   Normal zeal is 10 times more useful due to the restriction on group zeal.  (and then as well, you give up sector arty, flammen assaults, or the hummel barrage to get group zael.. im actually running a SE without it because i wanted the others more.. its NOT a no brainer after playing with it last war)

where are you going to address passive buffs effecting all units on the field?  Do you not think that M1 carbines or Raid Assault effectively cause blobbing of those units in more ways then even group zeal could?  I would say yes.

Even when the game had absolutely NO doctrines in it, guess what happened? ... people still blobbed.

also the PE faction with or without group zeal, play in the means that they NEED higher % of troops to extend through teh game play.  No reliable MG means no reliable suppression means need to win through superior firepower, yet they don't get ANY buffs to their infantries damage out put, unless you are specialized troops in luft.

Blobbing is not a result of current game situation, it is a result of the base game we have modded.

[wildsolus]

• If possible remove the ability to manually target enemies when more than one unit is selected*.

that'd be really nice counter to blobs not gonna lie... dnice would have no clue what to do!! 

[salan]

i wonder if its possible, probably is through scar...

[LeoPhone]

heres my solution: offmaps will kill much less enemies, and instead they blow buildings and defensive structures/blockages. ofcourse offmaps wont be totally useless against units.

and doctrine buffs: they work fully for your 1st units, but when you start oversupplying, the buffs dissapear!

and all the problems are fixed!

[Jazlizard]

• If possible remove the ability to manually target enemies when more than one unit is selected*.

that'd be really nice counter to blobs not gonna lie... dnice would have no clue what to do!! 

You could likely just hotkey the individual units and pull it off still, just might take a 1/2 second longer.

[Illegal_Carrot]

i wonder if its possible, probably is through scar...

Couldn't you just Tab through the units and order them to fire individually?

[AmPM]

Blobbing = Most force in one place

Guess what, that is the objective of an attack, put the most localized force in place at the weakest point of the enemy line and breakthrough, then exploit.

We aren't fighting a Civil War period line battle.

[SaintPauli]

I laugh at the group zeal .. why does everyone complain about it.

It’s not that bad. I just don’t see any reason to encourage blobbing.

[Smokaz]

Blobbing is best with units that deal accurate and vicious alphas, like 3-4 rr squads firing off volleys at max range and then backing off. Blobbing stuff that doesnt have a get out of trouble button or a impressive (accurate, penetration or damage) alpha just sets you up for AoE and supression. If you can just get supression the blob can be annihliated or retreated with smart play or offmaps.

The problem arises if group zeal or cohesion or similar stuff makes blob immune to supression as well as reducing their AoE damage taken. Then blobs feel overpowering or hard to counter.

Btw LMG G43 squads supress/pin now at medium/short range with slow, for you PE lovahs out there. Too bad only luftwaffe which already has the only other half-decent supression tool PE gets.

With the dramatic increase in british offmaps and airborne doctrine becoming the new monster choice for everyone, things are gonna get nasty for PE in terms of supressing inf blobs. I look in my gypsy ball and see fortress europe becoming popular for the 42~ range wirbelwind.

[LuAn]

Give PE a new nondoctrinal Unit:
Heavy Machine Gun Infantry Squad!

And things will be fine 

[FailHammer]

The problem still comes with fire up etc. I dont have specific solutions to it, because it is an important game feature, but...
it gives a player with 4 ABrrs etc the ability to act like a total fuckin idiot in terms of micro/play skill. Why seperate the units to avoid suppresion when you just press the magic button. It isnt anything except lazy play being incientivized by fire up. How about, yeah you get fire up and can instantly get unpinned etc, but you take more more inc acc. I mean you are standing up and running in a field of machine gun fire.( i know game > reality). I want to see better play. get a squad pinned and flank w another.combo.combined.arms. tactics etc etc USA USA USA rabble rabble.

The other problem is PE, as they have shit for suppresion. I play mostly PE(also all other facitons) and infantry is usually the problem. You have a vehicle based army that is very succeptible to manpack at, and at in gereral. That hurts your ability to counter infanty the way every single other faction can, vehicles. Therefore you are forced to duke it out with the other factions inf on inf and face it, yours isnt the best. To win that engagement you need smart play AND numbers, which leads to the PE blob, but it still isnt a true blob as it doesnt have manpack + inf killing/survivability and fire up. One MG still stops it cold.

Those are the 2 problems facing EiRRalphabetacharlie, and minorly the reliance on offmaps to counter everything.

[LuAn]

Also a minor issue with pe i came accross:
The Marder costs 380MP 120Fuel, which is the same MP as any ATGun.
Why is that so? (considering that the atgun can be remannend endlessly until something actually destroys the atgun)

[AmPM]

PE Scout Car (the normal one) should be turned into an HMG when locked down in a sector.

[LuAn]

PE Scout Car (the normal one) should be turned into an HMG when locked down in a sector.

This would help nothing as RR would still "instagib" it.

[EIRRMod]

Hey Mgallan,

Thanks for the input!

We'll be parsing through all the data you guys collect about bugs and OP abilities / units.

The main thing we'd like to do, is offer the same *max* uses for arty, but reduce the capacity to do it all the time.
Even that may be reduced tbh.

In regards to the Doctrines, we're just implementing them - on paper they looked fairly balanced, but on implementation a lot of things have been missed.

So, thats where the next phase 007, will head.
Balance issues + some accessability tweaks.

[Edit: Posted to correct OP ugh...]

[Mysthalin]

Hey Myst,

Huh, did I even post in this thread? :S

[Skaevola]

PE Scout Car (the normal one) should be turned into an HMG when locked down in a sector.

Troll somewhere else.

Das~

[jackmccrack]

Also a minor issue with pe i came accross:
The Marder costs 380MP 120Fuel, which is the same MP as any ATGun.
Why is that so? (considering that the atgun can be remannend endlessly until something actually destroys the atgun)

I used to think the manpower cost was expensive...

Now I acknowledge the Marder's power. It's good in narrow corridors...doesn't die easily to mortars and wont be overrun as easily by infantry. It costs as much as an AT gun because....it IS an AT Gun, only mounted.

[EIRRMod]

Hey Myst,

Huh, did I even post in this thread? :S

Bwahahaaha sorry man.

[BigDick]

Also a minor issue with pe i came accross:
The Marder costs 380MP 120Fuel, which is the same MP as any ATGun.
Why is that so? (considering that the atgun can be remannend endlessly until something actually destroys the atgun)

exactly that is the same i was often thinking when i considered the downs and ups for 2/3 or even 3/4 marders in my battalion screen

PE Scout Car (the normal one) should be turned into an HMG when locked down in a sector.

1. thats an OMG feature and eir shouldnt copy something that is not necessary
2. wouldnt help anything because PE need something non vehicle based supression that get not killed by AT guns, RRs, zooks...