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[CrazyWR]

It may not bounce, but when it takes like 6+ shots to kill an IHT with a t17, its certainly not the best counter.  Its technically possible, but only if the enemy has only one piece of AT around(that isn't a clown car, because that rapes t17s)

[gamesguy2]

It may not bounce, but when it takes like 6+ shots to kill an IHT with a t17, its certainly not the best counter.  Its technically possible, but only if the enemy has only one piece of AT around(that isn't a clown car, because that rapes t17s)

The T17 gets off those 6+ shots much faster than a M8.  Wtf are you expecting a light vehicle to do?  Rape an HT in 10 seconds?

[jackmccrack]

The T17 has some wacky penetration.

http://coh-stats.com/Weapon:37mm_Staghound
vs. Light vehicles it has 0.85 rear penetration. It's especially bad vs. Pumas... 0.5 front penetration....*0.85 when firing on the rear.
vs. Tanks it has lots of rear penetration...guaranteed penetration for all but the heaviest Axis armor.


It is a specialist assault vehicle rather than a straight armored car.
It hits hard....65 main gun damage compared the the M8's 50 main gun damage. So it is true that the T17 is much stronger against tanks. Not only this but it fires in bursts.

But it will not rape a halftrack in 10-20 seconds like the M8 sometimes does [especially with top gunner].

Taking all these into consideration, I believe reverting the price to 90 would be overdoing it.

[gamesguy2]

The T17 has some wacky penetration.

http://coh-stats.com/Weapon:37mm_Staghound
vs. Light vehicles it has 0.85 rear penetration. It's especially bad vs. Pumas... 0.5 front penetration....*0.85 when firing on the rear.
vs. Tanks it has lots of rear penetration...guaranteed penetration for all but the heaviest Axis armor.


It is a specialist assault vehicle rather than a straight armored car.
It hits hard....65 main gun damage compared the the M8's 50 main gun damage. So it is true that the T17 is much stronger against tanks. Not only this but it fires in bursts.

But it will not rape a halftrack in 10-20 seconds like the M8 sometimes does [especially with top gunner].

Taking all these into consideration, I believe reverting the price to 90 would be overdoing it.

I can do a 1v1 test if you'd like, I guaranteee you a T17 will rape a halftrack much faster than a M8.

[RikiRude]

The T17 has some wacky penetration.

http://coh-stats.com/Weapon:37mm_Staghound
vs. Light vehicles it has 0.85 rear penetration. It's especially bad vs. Pumas... 0.5 front penetration....*0.85 when firing on the rear.
vs. Tanks it has lots of rear penetration...guaranteed penetration for all but the heaviest Axis armor.


It is a specialist assault vehicle rather than a straight armored car.
It hits hard....65 main gun damage compared the the M8's 50 main gun damage. So it is true that the T17 is much stronger against tanks. Not only this but it fires in bursts.

But it will not rape a halftrack in 10-20 seconds like the M8 sometimes does [especially with top gunner].

Taking all these into consideration, I believe reverting the price to 90 would be overdoing it.

I can do a 1v1 test if you'd like, I guaranteee you a T17 will rape a halftrack much faster than a M8.

id like to see a test, because it seems like it takes forever to take out a HT with a T17 and not much time to do it with a M8. Any modifiers for when both are moving that would effect the outcome?

[jackmccrack]

The T17 has some wacky penetration.

http://coh-stats.com/Weapon:37mm_Staghound
vs. Light vehicles it has 0.85 rear penetration. It's especially bad vs. Pumas... 0.5 front penetration....*0.85 when firing on the rear.
vs. Tanks it has lots of rear penetration...guaranteed penetration for all but the heaviest Axis armor.


It is a specialist assault vehicle rather than a straight armored car.
It hits hard....65 main gun damage compared the the M8's 50 main gun damage. So it is true that the T17 is much stronger against tanks. Not only this but it fires in bursts.

But it will not rape a halftrack in 10-20 seconds like the M8 sometimes does [especially with top gunner].

Taking all these into consideration, I believe reverting the price to 90 would be overdoing it.

I can do a 1v1 test if you'd like, I guaranteee you a T17 will rape a halftrack much faster than a M8.

id like to see a test, because it seems like it takes forever to take out a HT with a T17 and not much time to do it with a M8. Any modifiers for when both are moving that would effect the outcome?

Only 0.75 accuracy on the US vehicles while moving, *0.8 accuracy if the halftracks are moving.

[jackmccrack]

Against "Sdkfz 251 Halftrack" and "Sdkfz 22x", yes, it's got that penetration value of 4, but it does not feel like that at all.

I dunno man, I guess we do need to test it.

[RikiRude]

We are using the proper HT armor right? Since we are talking about PE IHTs right?

[gamesguy2]

We are using the proper HT armor right? Since we are talking about PE IHTs right?

T17 has 400% penetration vs the wehr HT armor, which the PE IHT uses.

[Killer344]

We are using the proper HT armor right? Since we are talking about PE IHTs right?

T17 has 400% penetration vs the wehr HT armor, which the PE IHT uses.

and it still barely penetrates them :p.

[Ununoctium]

This unit needs a full out labtest.

[Mysthalin]

The unit has 50 damage per shot, actually...

It does indeed have 400 percent penetration vs halftracks, so I am lead to believe that it has an in-built "aura" that only affects the staghound, and which makes it's penetration equal to a pinnata.

[Ununoctium]

The unit has 50 damage per shot, actually...

It does indeed have 400 percent penetration vs halftracks, so I am lead to believe that it has an in-built "aura" that only affects the staghound, and which makes it's penetration equal to a pinnata.

whats a pinnata?

[jackmccrack]

Yes, vs. HTs it deals 50 per shot.

A "piñata" is an cardboard object stuffed with candy and hung from a high place for children to swing baseball bats at. It is popular in Latin America.

[CommieKillerz]

I know the patch is coming out soon but I'm going to revive this post again.
T17s got everything: health, power, speed, and armor.

Its gun... well everyone knows it rapes inf and light armor.

Combine sandbag upgrade and the health bonus at vet 1 and 2 and pop T4 repairs, these bastards will NOT DIE.

Mind you that T17 is a vehicle, not a tank.

It's a cheaper, faster and powerful Ostwind with superb survivability...

[RikiRude]

afaik the health bonus got removed last patch with the allied vet rework.

[Mysthalin]

afaik the health bonus got removed last patch with the allied vet rework.

There is a vet 1 health buff, to my knowledge.
Better than a vet 1 recieved accuracy reduction .

[panzerman]

mmm they kill inf faster than PE armored car and they will always win 1v1 versus one of them.

one of these in a starting call in can cause trouble even against a p4 start as it still moves 2 fast and if well micro-ed u can just run around terrorizing or even just destroying most of the start call in, all that time ur team mates can set up and be ready once the axis get around to killing it they then have mainly at on the field in the attempts of destroying 1 or 2 T17's

[Demon767]

T17's are a weak strat, never had problems with any light vehicle.

[NightRain]

2 Rushing T17s can destroy entire callin if its a balanced callin. The countering P4 will get stunned two times by them while these fellows destroy the pak gun, MG, mortar and whatever other stuff Wehrmacht usually field at the start.

They might be considered "Weak" but with OBM and Field Repairs it will survive the entire game unless the player F*ck up's at some point