Osprey
Maj. Osprey, Royal Lincolnshire Regiment
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« on: August 16, 2009, 05:13:29 am » |
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...and the magnetic head of doom. Hehe.
I have to date lost 7 Vet 2 Captains in the last few months, and I may have discovered a bug, or it may just be incredible bad luck.
1st - Lost to a shrek hit in the chest, insta-gib from full-health.
2nd - Lost to a vet 1 P4, shot to the head, insta gib from full health.
3rd - Lost to a shrek hit in the face, insta-gib from 90%(ish) health.
4th - Lost to a vet 2 P4, shot to the chest, insta gib from full health.
5th - Lost to a P4, shot to the chest, insta gib from full health.
6th - Lost to a Marder III shot to the torso, insta gib from full health.
(last game) 7th - Lost to a vet 2 P4 hit to the torso, insta gib from full health.
Now while I admit this list is both depressingly true (I made note after the first 3 times) and hilariously unfortunate (it has become somewhat of a running joke) it leads me to wonder if the Captain's Vet 2 reduced incoming accuracy bonus and Vet 1 reduced incoming damage modifier may be bugged.
Has anyone else had problems with tank shells and AT killing their Vet 2 Captains? Or am I just rather amusingly inept at keeping good officers alive?
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| Armfelt
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2009, 05:25:46 am » |
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I think they should have HP so they can take a P4 shot (but not more), I know that it is unrealistic but british officers die way too easy. (Do wehrmacht officers have more HP?)
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Demon767
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2009, 06:03:18 am » |
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in my own experience a full health captian always took 2 heat rounds from my p4 direct hit, 1 heat round nearly killing him but not fully as in you cant even see a health bar on him.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2009, 06:24:04 am » |
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Iv had the same problem as u osprey. All my captains which have died have been one shotted by a P4 or pak gun for a good distance away.  |
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Aggamemnon
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2009, 07:02:01 am » |
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Typically, they should survive the first (direct) tank shell at vet 2 with a sliver of health left.
They are quite fragile, but awesome in cover (especially with a bren or stolen schreck).
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Osprey
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2009, 07:22:29 am » |
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I never lose them to P4 hits at any other vet level though. Only at Vet 2. Weird.
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| Lemures
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2009, 07:28:19 am » |
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I constantly lose my captains, having to get in range of FOO does that.
Though it is annoyingly constant that they are 1 shot kills to P4, Paks, Marders and Shrecks. This wouldn't be a problem but it is usually the first shot that the Captain has aimed at him. It's also enough that Vet 2 Captains should be looked at for this.
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| Falcon333
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2009, 07:42:08 am » |
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make vet 2 give them a small health bonus?
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| Lemures
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2009, 07:50:42 am » |
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I'm pretty sure they get a small health bonus somewhere along the lines, if your captain is in his own territory and has taken no damage, a vet 2 should survive 1 direct shot as Agga pointed out but this more than likely depends on if the tank has upgrades from a doctrine/veterancy or whatever.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2009, 07:54:55 am » |
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tbh its the p4 mg that does that extra bit of damage before or just after he shoots you with his cannon.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2009, 08:01:35 am » |
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The P4 cannon does 87.5 damage. With no modifier against heroic infantry armor (ie. captain)
At vet 1, a captain gets 0.8 received damage. Meaning 70 damage total.
I don't know about the defensive buffs a captain gives though.
Also, all MGs on the P4 have a 0.6 dmg modifier against Heroic armor.
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| Lemures
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 08:04:33 am » |
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If a bog standard P4 shouldn't do enough damage to 1 shot a captain then obviously something is very wrong because it happens all the time.
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| Falcon333
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 08:13:36 am » |
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According to coh-stats, the captain has 60 health.
So unless the defensive buff he gives lowers the 70 dmg the cannon gives below 60 it's not gonna survive a direct hit from the cannon.
Still, you have the 2/3 machineguns to consider aswell.
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| Lemures
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2009, 08:20:30 am » |
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Except no-one is complaining about machine guns, purely being 1 shot killed too often from full hp.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2009, 08:35:26 am » |
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i always target captain or LTs with my (vet3) p4s but they never die to the 1st hit. i think thats just not true.. or these were heatround p4s
schreck sniping infantry is just incedibly bad luck i think.
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Osprey
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2009, 08:38:46 am » |
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I wasn't complaining, I just thought it was a bit of a funny coincidence that most of my Vet 2 losses are to AT weapons and P4 rounds.
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| Lemures
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2009, 09:08:35 am » |
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It's not incredibly bad luck if it happens all the time, which is why they need checking. I was complaining!  |
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2009, 09:15:34 am » |
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i always target captain or LTs with my (vet3) p4s but they never die to the 1st hit. i think thats just not true.. or these were heatround p4s
schreck sniping infantry is just incedibly bad luck i think.
I don't know how much damage it does when the round misses. It's possible that the only time captains get gibbed (from full health) is due to a direct hit. EDIT: I just noticed that the P4 gets an accuracy increase at vet 2, that might have to do with the amount of cases it gibs a cpt? |
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2009, 09:18:33 am » |
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I don't know what it is but it seems rifles get increased incoming accuracy at vet 2.
vet 2 rifles vs volks and vet 1 rifles vs volks.. vet 2 fares worse.
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| Lemures
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2009, 09:19:19 am » |
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That would still only explain the P4's and not the rest of the list of units that do this to captains.
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