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[Unkn0wn]

Just a heads up on some of the changes we will be making soon.

Veterancy is being reworked: basically what we'll be doing is toning down the existing veterancy, altering some values and removing others to (hopefully) reduce the vast advantage veteran units have in the current game. Some unit types are getting hit more than others but all will be affected in one way or another. (Ranging from minor nerfs to significant ones) Mind you, before you light your torches, that despite the nerfs we are ensuring that overall veterancy is still going to be very much worth the PP investment.

Another thing we will be reviewing are unit XP modifiers. These are the values found between () in the vet list, this value determines how fast a unit gains veterancy. The current vet levels are 10, 40, 80. An engineer squad for example has a modifier of (2.0), this means that their vet requirements are 5, 20, 40.

For this we would appreciate your input. What units do you think gain veterancy too fast and which ones are too hard (or even impossible) to vet up? We'll definitely be using the community's perception and experience with veterancy when making the changes. Just keep in mind that design wise all units are intended to vet up 'fairly' fast in the current game but there's no doubt some units are going too fast while others are far too slow.

Thanks,

[Aggamemnon]

Sherman Firefly takes way too long to get it considering it's survivability imo.

[Two]

Fireflys taking too long as all i can really think of atm. Sure inf hts and the such but they just die to quickly to vet up and arent worth it.

[deadbolt]

commando jeep is impossible, LOL

[bristiler]

commando sniper is extremely easy to vet to vet 3

[RikiRude]

i think it would be cool if some units always had reroll chances. like jeeps/bikes and things of that nature which are really hard to first vet up, and second, keep alive multiple games. that way if your vet 1 jeep dies you have a chance of it coming back after the game.

[CafeMilani]

ok..but only for units which are veryvery hard to vet up.

[RikiRude]

ok..but only for units which are veryvery hard to vet up.

naw man i want AB to have 85% chance to survive =P

i was thinking just scouting units, IHT, maybe ATGs? the thing is there are some units that perform well in the game, they just never ever last more then one or two games. engs/pios, MGs, ive seen plenty of axis vetted mortars, (not lately) but never allied ones.

of course who knows how hard it would be to put in some kind of reroll code for only certain units.

[CafeMilani]

jeeps, bikes, brens, IHTs.
maybe axis and ami HT but im not sure about this because its easier to kill an axis HT than the ami one.

[Mysthalin]

MGs are too hard to vet up.
Fireflies are too hard to vet up.
Panzergrenadiers are too easy to vet up(you can get 4-5 vet 2s in one game if you play alright).
Engineers/pioneers are too hard to keep alive, even if they're easy to vet up. Remove insta-die flame explosion critical.
Hotchkiss is slightly too hard to vet up.
HTs are too hard to vet up and keep alive.
Kettenkrad/WM Schwim are impossible ;P.
Mortar is too easy to vet up.
Hotch Stuka is horribly too hard to vet up.

[NightRain]

Light Vehicles are hard to vet up.

Normally any Carrier is hard to vet up since they get chased down and destroyed or destroyed pretty quickly.

Everything that focuses on ANTI TANK is easy to vet up since killing a tank gives more XP than killing 1 Squad...

Engineer infantry is hard to vet up (except Sapper squad that gets PIATS but non-piat Sappers)
Recon units with no weaponry are impossible to vet up unless they get ability to bumrush a sniper that walks on an egative cover.

Mun HT is hard to vet up? Or does it gets its veterancy from giving mun and assisting in killing?

[Ununoctium]

jeeps, bike shwimms, and especially kettens.
-Give the ketten a LT like vet gain aura (also maybe muni ht and vamp HT)
-just reduce vet requirements and make vet 2 free and vet 3 1 sp

Engineers/Pios are hard to vet up
-just reduce vet requirements and make vet 2 1sp and vet 3 2 sp
-remove flamer critical at vet 2. the worst thing is when they vet up and then blow up.

halftracks are troublesome to vet
-just reduce vet requirements and make vet 2 free and vet 3 1 sp

mgs dont live enough to keep their vet.
-just reduce vet requirements and make vet 2 free and vet 3 1 sp

I would say it would be nice to have free vet 2 on m10 and hellcat but sometimes they aren't used as kamikazees so it would be an unfair request.

[lionel23]

My opinion on the hardest units to vet and whose requirements must be lower:

M10s (Needs lower vet requirement) - They tend to not live very long and I can't ever imagine trying to save a M10 to vet 3.  A hellcat can easily get vet 3 due to it having much longer range.

57mm AT Guns (US) - Getting outsniped by Marders, bombed by long range mortars and mortar halftracks, wouldn't be a problem if we could buy cloak like the Brits, their crews rarely live long enough to make use of their vets, and the annoying thing I noticed last game was an ally AT gun using AP round and missing twice.... really, we're suppose to use this?  It should counter tanks! Heh.

Halftracks (US) - Slow but powerful firing gun, low life/armor compared to tanks, only on occassion have I ever had a vet 1 and he died XD

Engineers - Vet 1 is all I have, never ever would vet them up due to instant death explosion of flamethrowers

Carriers for Brits - Kangaroo and Bren Carrier.. how the heck are they suppose to earn vet to get any of those cool bonuses? Bump into a house and collapse it?

Sherman Crocodile - Okay, no one uses it, it sucks and is too short ranged, limited to 1 avail normally, is anyone actually suppose to be able to vet this thing?

I think everything else (at least from the US Infantry side, can't comment on airborne or armor doctrine units) is just fine in being just tolerable and requiring work to get like rangers and riflemen.  Maybe lower ranger vet requirement but that's not like a must, just a nice thing to have.  The above though needs to be done/addressed.

[Falcon333]

Sherman Crocodile - Okay, no one uses it, it sucks and is too short ranged, limited to 1 avail normally, is anyone actually suppose to be able to vet this thing?

It uses a flamethrower, what do you expect?

[lionel23]

Sherman Crocodile - Okay, no one uses it, it sucks and is too short ranged, limited to 1 avail normally, is anyone actually suppose to be able to vet this thing?

It uses a flamethrower, what do you expect?

So does the Churchill Croc, and that thing owns.

[CafeMilani]

i disagree with you lionel. not every unit is meant to be vet3. thats how it sounds to me :/

*Snip.  Leave personal attack out or else. ~Das.

[Baine]

Sherman Crocodile - Okay, no one uses it, it sucks and is too short ranged, limited to 1 avail normally, is anyone actually suppose to be able to vet this thing?

It uses a flamethrower, what do you expect?

So does the Churchill Croc, and that thing owns.

It's a T3 unlock, what do you expect?

[Ununoctium]

Sherman Crocodile - Okay, no one uses it, it sucks and is too short ranged, limited to 1 avail normally, is anyone actually suppose to be able to vet this thing?

It uses a flamethrower, what do you expect?

So does the Churchill Croc, and that thing owns.

It's a T3 unlock, what do you expect?

Instead of the silly m10 and m18 buff why not give armour a supercroc with churchill flamers stats?

[GeneralGlacko]

I say get rid of the pp cost on the hotchkiss stuka and give it a considerable damage buff yet keeping the cooldown vet bonuses.

[Demon767]

make the veterancy level of all units the same

25xp - vet 1

125xp - vet 2

350 - vet 3