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[Hicks359]

No, that isnt bad Engrish saying an idea by me. Although it is.

It's an idea about mines at the moment, or infact, any other item/explosive etc that is placed down, be it mines or Triages or demolitions and what not.

Instead of having Mines as a per unit upgrade... Why not buy mines seperately from your unit into a pool? This would allow any of your Engineers/Pioneers in the field to place them down, without restricting a player in that he MUST buy a certain amount of Engies/Pios to field an amount of Mines.

An example. A player buys 4 uses of mines in thier pool. They have 2 Engineers. The player goes to place thier mines, but a stray mortar round happens, normally resulting in the loss of the squad and thier mines.

However, with my idea, you can bring on the other squad, and still have access to your mine pool. The same thing can be applied to Triage's, bunkers, or perhaps even used for British emplacements, removing the need for the individual crews and have them built by *Shock horror* Sappers (Though i havent the faintest how Vet would work with that - If it could)

I think it would be a neat idea, that would also help with the whole US gets 2 mines per Engineer and Wher get 1 mine per Pioneer.

Just a little idea that you can mull over, pick apart, or throw a few sticks at.

PS. Hard caps for mines/Goliaths/Bunkers/Triages could be introduced if things get too silly with it - If it's an issue.

[Mysthalin]

Possibly a good idea, but I am not sure how it would work. It would allow for VERY gimmicky defensive starts of 2 pioneers putting down 20 mines, and it would still allow room for error if the game turned out to be reinforcements or defensive - you could have several other 1 pio callins to start placing the mines.

[Hicks359]

This is true, however, the mines will still cost munitions to buy.

As well as this, a hard cap on the amount of mines purchasable could be implemented as well, in two different ways which i see.

First, a pure cap, say a max of 8-12 mine uses in a company.

Or, a context sensitive cap - Each Engineer allows for 2-3 purchases of mines, or goliaths, or, or... Etc.

[VERTIGGO]

Possibly a good idea, but I am not sure how it would work. It would allow for VERY gimmicky defensive starts of 2 pioneers putting down 20 mines, and it would still allow room for error if the game turned out to be reinforcements or defensive - you could have several other 1 pio callins to start placing the mines.

If that gimmick was a problem there could just be a cap based on the number of pios in the company, since no one would buy 20 pio squads just to have the cap room.

I love the idea. However, it may become tempting to do the same with all mun weapons.

EDIT: Hicks and I replied at the same time! I guess there's agreement...

[DasNoob]

Good idea.

Also, limiting the pool to the actual number of pio/eng bought is a good idea.

[Hicks359]

Woop!

Do i get a cookie? xD

By the way, finding a way to show how many equipment uses (Because theres more than just mines...) you have remaining, i wouldnt have a clue on how to go about without throwing something extra into the HuD ingame.

Or maybe have it show on the mouse over when you attempt to click on the mine to use it?

Yeah, i'm brain storming. >.<

[Tymathee]

Great idea!

[Ununoctium]

this really helps those that need mines but dont buy them on all engies.

[Falcon333]

How much efforrt would it take to get this in?

[Baine]

It already works that way with axis bunkers, so it should be doable for mines and goliaths aswell!

[lionel23]

Just to let the original poster know, it currently works like that for triage.  Say if you have 5 engineers and the first one buys triage.  You bring him out in the opening call in and he dies, any of the remaining 4 engineers when called onto the field can build it also.

[Hicks359]

In which case... Shouldnt it be *Relatively* simple coding wise to make this work for other deployable equipment then?

Perhaps a few touch ups to make it look more done up and simpler to use, but in essence you know what i mean.

(I say relatively, meaning, the code to do what i'm on about exists in one form or another due to the nature of Triage's at the moment - But then again, i'm no coder, i'm a player and a tester per se)

[Killer344]

Just to let the original poster know, it currently works like that for triage.  Say if you have 5 engineers and the first one   buys triage.  You bring him out in the opening call in and he dies, any of the remaining 4 engineers when called onto the field can build it also.

That is a bug...but it seems that nobody ever cared about it, it was also in the old EIR in fact .

[Ununoctium]

wait... does this mena one engi can lay all of 6 mines... could be evry easy to put up a whole minefield when the enemy isnt looking. or a single pio in a halftrack behind enemy lines while the flamerpios are in combat.

[Hicks359]

Theoretically, yes, you could.

However, providing you had enough munitions you could do that in VCoH anyhow.

As well as that, it could add a new swing to things, instead of tripping on one mine here or there, or having to field an army of Engineers, you could have "Proper" minefields without a gimmick force.

That, and minesweepers could actually become important again with a fresh abundance of mines.

Hell, we might even see Crab Flails used for clearing mines - Imagine that.

[Warlight]

wait... does this mena one engi can lay all of 6 mines... could be evry easy to put up a whole minefield when the enemy isnt looking. or a single pio in a halftrack behind enemy lines while the flamerpios are in combat.

This isn't a bad thing.  Not anyworse then say Blobbing Airbourne, only both sides can pull it off.

EDIT: Its makes buying mines mor efficiant too, because you don't need to spam Engineers/Pio's or Munihalftracks to us them.

[Jazlizard]

It also makes it a little less painful when you lose your engi/pio who have mines on them as any engi/pio can build em.

This might result in mines being more expensive, but I support the change overall.

[Falcon333]

Just to let the original poster know, it currently works like that for triage.  Say if you have 5 engineers and the first one   buys triage.  You bring him out in the opening call in and he dies, any of the remaining 4 engineers when called onto the field can build it also.

That is a bug...but it seems that nobody ever cared about it, it was also in the old EIR in fact .

what if:
original engi build triage
triage gets destroyed
new engi comes onfield

does the new engi get a triage?

[Killer344]

no.

[Hicks359]

No, it wouldnt, as you'd have used up your purchased Triage from your "Equipment pool".