Pio/ Engie Vet2

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[Groundfire]

Why is the wehr Pioneer Vet 2 modifiers so much better than the US Engineers Vet 2?

It doesnt make sense at all.

Pioneer Vet:
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Health 1.2
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Cover ability*, Damage 1.2

Engineer Vet:
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Received Suppression 0.85
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Cover ability*, Damage 1.2


Lets face it, improved accuracy on a flamethrower is just useless to begin with.

Then Pioneers recieve a 20% extra health while Engineers receive a .85 reduction in supression. Which is still absolutely does nothing but stop Engies from getting suppressed by 1 volley of volk fire.

Pioneers deffinately have the better deal because this health boost brings their already high HP to 84 HP per man instead of 70 HP

(140)1.2 / 2 = 84 HP per man @ Vet 2

On top of that, Vet 3 for Pios stacks the HP up to 92.4 HP per man.


The Vet should be standardized. On top of the Engineer's super low HP, and chance to be flamethrower critted far too early, Engineers are the ones that need the 20% health boost at Vet2 the most. This would bring their paultry 55 HP/man up to 66 per man, then another 10% at Vet 3 for 72 HP/man.

(165)1.1 (vet3) / 3 = 60.5 HP per man at vet 3
(165)1.2 x 1.1 /3 =72 HP per man with purposed value.

There should be some kind of award for keeping an engineer alive for combat, and what it gets through vet is not good enough right now as it is.

[Pak88mm]

mmmmmm no

[Smokaz]

As long as a vet 3 engineer/pio squad can randomly die at almost full health...

[Groundfire]

How many engineers have you gotten to vet 3 without curbstomping newbs to do it?

[Smokaz]

Gaining vet on them has nothing to do with curbstomping. You can just opt for never using them unless as part of a MG flank, or only against supressed/pinned infantry. Wallah your engineer/pio is getting kills without taking much fire back. A few games using them like this and you'll have a vet 3 pioneer/engineer too.

Terror pios get the improved medikit making them really tough in green cover, and other doctrines have ways to make their infantry flamesquads tougher as well. But usually you dont retreat them, as having a vet 3 pioneer squad sniped in a environment that you can get them sniped again just means insta-retreat, so you might as well have them go out in flames and glory.

Additionally its the issue with squads just exploding before you can retreat them because of the flamer crit when you finally have vet, feels great having toiled to get a vet 3 flamer squad and then it just dies randomly to LMG fire at almost full health.

That said, the received supression bonus should be larger for engineers than it currently is something I've argued several times.

[Groundfire]

Uh huh, engies an pios getting a decent amount of kills like that only happens in a static perfect universe.

The point is that both sets of vet are not equal. Engies need a buff to vet 2.

I think standardizing the vet to what pios get should fix the problem, IMO, but more decreased supp. modifier may be fine.

[puddin]

Pios have 2 men, het a health bonus... And engines have reduced supression... 

I don;t see the problems... Whats the health and supression and alll... Personally the vet on these 2 units is really that big of a deal? 

[Killer344]

Because only US veterancy was nerfed in the last patch... CW/PE/WM vet is going to be in the next.

[Mysthalin]

I'd like to add that 1.1 health at vet 3 for engineers is utterly useless and gives no real benefits against no single weapon in the game - 0.1 milisecond more of life against an LMG/MP40 doesn't really count.

Thank you.