DarkSoldier
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« on: October 27, 2009, 07:12:29 pm » |
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The normal hotchkiss could use a buff because I just don't see how its useful at all other than making enemy at guns turn away from my main armour. Ive tried doing it the allied away of sniping but this thing just wont hit them! Ive been driving it up to low at supported infantry but they just wont die!
Ive ran through about 4-7 hotchkisses and I have a combined total of about 3 infantry kills with them. I use them without upgun so I don't loose any accursey. Also the allied light armour has some sort of AT ability, our hotchkisses do not, is our upgun upgrade making up for that? So share your thoughts why or why not this should get buffed. Thank you.
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| fallensoldier7
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 07:14:50 pm » |
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Upgunned hotchkisses do very good damage to all types of armor from what I've seen. If you get 2 of them I bet you kill kill (or heavily damage) a Sherman, depending on your micro capabilities. They definitely are very good against light vehicles with the up-gun.
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Computer991
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 07:19:41 pm » |
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They are only good with doctrine buff(Tank hunters)
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Smokaz
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 07:46:14 pm » |
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The upgun hotchkiss is a amazing unit, able to kite shermans etc. Its also quite fast and has a agile collision box, even if it sometimes does the puma dance as it turns. Repair is dirt cheap and it has exellent veterancy. Also the allied light armour has some sort of AT ability, our hotchkisses do not, is our upgun upgrade making up for that? So share your thoughts why or why not this should get buffed. Thank you.
You have to try the upgun. Upgun Hotch needs zero further buffs. Have one of these babies supporting a panther and it can rape the shit out of a firefly or a pershing in no time. You cant really argue that its expensive in pop either, as its the same as the m8 with freaking amazing anti-tank capability. It penetrates churchills more than flak88's do if I remember it's upgun tables + the EIRR buff to it. I havent seen a pershing bounce a upgun hotchkiss yet. The thing is just sex on wheels. Only way it fails is if allies are spamming handheld AT to screen their tanks. If TH doctrine stuff affects this unit it probably performs over the top for its meager fuel price. If scopes affect it.. halleluja. Same range as a AT gun (55?) and 0.9 penetration modifier at long range, with ridicolously armor penetration to begin with against anything. I can imagine a army of upgunned hotchkisses, 50mm's and ATHT's with scopes to be a horrible obstacle for any armor company. That said the regular gun is absolute muck, dont ever use it without a upgun. Grab a few upgun hotchkisses and smash Keep's pershings since they barely are able to track the damn thing with their slow ass gun. |
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« Last Edit: October 27, 2009, 08:00:37 pm by Smokaz »
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Smokaz
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2009, 07:53:12 pm » |
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These tables are not 100% accurate for EIRR of course because the upgun was improved a patch back (I think it was given more accuracy), but compare the wehr P4 penetration and the hotchkiss upgun, for instance: http://coh-stats.com/Weapon:50mm_Hotchkisshttp://coh-stats.com/Weapon:75mm_PanzerIts funny how the upgun is like the PE single-mounted MEGA recoilless-rifle-armored car. |
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« Last Edit: October 27, 2009, 07:56:35 pm by Smokaz »
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Tymathee
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 11:00:05 pm » |
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btw, just for refernce.
50mm hotchkiss = good vs infantry (same acc as m8 gun)
and the upgun is just awesome vs tanks. The biggest downside is its health. I think using it as a support unit to another anti tank vehicle or w/e it'll relaly shine
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Tymathee
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 11:31:27 pm » |
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and the hotchkiss uses the p4 gun from WM? I really dont think so cuz the upgun sux vs infantry and the p4 gun is awesome vs infantry.
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| fallensoldier7
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 11:39:29 pm » |
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I think he wanted you to see how closely they compared.
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BaleWolf
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 11:43:26 pm » |
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Used in conjunction with a Marder it can be total rapesauce. It can block when the Marder is being circle-jerked and can really mess the vehicle off as well.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 02:09:43 am » |
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2 Hotchkisses with Upgun can charge and win a PERSHING, I shit you not, without losing a single one of the little tanks made of win.
The vanilla hotchkiss is quite fine, in terms of accuracy and damage against inf, I'm just dismayed at it's poor ROF compared to the upgun version. Could use a buff there.
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Tymathee
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 02:50:17 am » |
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2 Hotchkisses with Upgun can charge and win a PERSHING, I shit you not, without losing a single one of the little tanks made of win.
The vanilla hotchkiss is quite fine, in terms of accuracy and damage against inf, I'm just dismayed at it's poor ROF compared to the upgun version. Could use a buff there.
I kinda agree there. It's a smaller gun yet takes longer to reload lol |
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 04:50:01 am » |
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2 Hotchkisses with Upgun can charge and win a PERSHING, I shit you not, without losing a single one of the little tanks made of win.
The vanilla hotchkiss is quite fine, in terms of accuracy and damage against inf, I'm just dismayed at it's poor ROF compared to the upgun version. Could use a buff there.
Yeah but thats about all they do. They get raped by anything lighter, which is everything else. |
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 03:18:22 pm » |
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use up gunned hotchkiss for light vehicles and supporting other AT (paks/marders/tanks).
use regular hotchkiss for infantry kiting.
low armor so always keep on the move vs handheld AT and other tanks.
do this and your hotchkiss will do better.
If you can't do it then i am sorry but there is nothing even the devs can do to help you.
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| DarkSoldier
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 04:20:53 pm » |
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Thanks for the tips, it seems the hotchkiss isn't exactly what I need guess I should just drop it.
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Tymathee
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2009, 04:27:05 pm » |
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I think for their size and speed their shot dodging is just horrendous. I'd like to see them dodge a lot more shots than they do atm. IF there was any one thing that it needs, it is defintely that.
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Smokaz
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2009, 04:30:50 pm » |
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Stuart armor
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Tymathee
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2009, 05:55:39 pm » |
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Stuart armor
and Stuarts die pretty dang fast as well. I say give it m8 armor. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2009, 10:03:46 pm » |
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What does the Stag have in the way of armor?
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2009, 10:22:09 pm » |
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Same as Stuart. ^Sometimes I forget that and I panic when a Stag comes along cause I'm reminded of the insane dodge of the T17, but then I remember again when all of my pak shots hit  |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2009, 11:00:11 pm » |
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Same as Stuart. ^Sometimes I forget that and I panic when a Stag comes along cause I'm reminded of the insane dodge of the T17, but then I remember again when all of my pak shots hit lol yea pretty much. Stags get hit a lot. |
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