deadbolt
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« on: June 13, 2010, 07:47:33 pm » |
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HVAP Pershing is immencely shit and grinding just for that has been an epic anti climax. Word of wisdom, dont get it, LOL.
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« Last Edit: June 13, 2010, 07:51:27 pm by deadbolt »
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| jackmccrack
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2010, 07:53:41 pm » |
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Can you describe how shitty it is? I want to know details about it
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| winisez
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2010, 07:54:45 pm » |
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I suspected it was shit, which is why i decided to go for HE rounds instead, my pershings will be
AVRE'S as well as tank killers.... epic.
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deadbolt
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2010, 07:57:11 pm » |
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it blows. i was misled by gren and now after like 45 games, i found i have wasted my time. guess its time to spam m10s.
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| jackmccrack
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2010, 08:06:03 pm » |
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Isn't it good vs. KTs though?
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Smokaz
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2010, 08:07:56 pm » |
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gren always says shit stuff is good, just like he thought nazi terror assault and suckengrad sniper was awesomesauce when it's really quite awful
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Sharpshooter824
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2010, 08:18:23 pm » |
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why is it awful lol, I was planning on going for that too and just wanna know why
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| winisez
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2010, 08:43:29 pm » |
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gren always says shit stuff is good, just like he thought nazi terror assault and suckengrad sniper was awesomesauce when it's really quite awful
That sniper is a handicap, its the new EIRR HANDICAP system the DEVs have been working on. It works well atm, though the system could use fine tuning. |
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gamesguy2
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2010, 08:50:50 pm » |
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why is it awful lol, I was planning on going for that too and just wanna know why
HVAP pershing has roughly double the penetration of a regular pershing, but its anti-infantry power is only slightly better than a sherman. |
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| jackmccrack
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2010, 08:55:56 pm » |
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That's still pretty good AI! What's the big deal?  |
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deadbolt
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 05:25:46 am » |
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you might aswell go obm, you get more repairs and ngv before hand which will let you get off 1 more round as apose to your normal shooting time.
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sgMisten
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2010, 06:07:28 am » |
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why is it awful lol, I was planning on going for that too and just wanna know why
HVAP pershing has roughly double the penetration of a regular pershing, but its anti-infantry power is only slightly better than a sherman. You might as well get AP round shermans in this case - regular splash damage, AP rounds when needed. Would it really be terribly imba for a HVAP Pershing to have its regular splash damage? Or give it a toggle between normal / HVAP rounds. Or simply AP rounds on cooldown. |
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2010, 06:09:36 am » |
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I think a HVAP toogle is just what it needs.
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i prefer to no u
Don't knock it til uve tried it bitchface, this isn't anything like salads version. Besides u said a semois conversion would never work, now look that's the most played map, ohgodwhy.jpg r u map lead
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2010, 06:49:06 am » |
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why does basic sherman upgun not nerf AI but this t4 does? makes no sense at all.
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2010, 07:08:36 am » |
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Because this Tier 4 basically grants a 200% penetration bonus, no other bonus is THIS high. It would need ot be reduced if we kept the splash the way it is normally.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2010, 07:23:57 am » |
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dear noobs,
who need a penetration boost on pershings anyway? no need to be able to penetrate a jagd.
regards
mr OBM man
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sgMisten
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2010, 07:29:07 am » |
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Because this Tier 4 basically grants a 200% penetration bonus, no other bonus is THIS high. It would need ot be reduced if we kept the splash the way it is normally.
It's not a flat 200% that easily, it varies from unit to unit. Regular Pershing 90mm (unit penetration <1)Panther - 0.65 Panzer4 - 0.861 Stug - 0.7 Tiger - 0.5 Hetzer - 0.47 Jagd - 0.4 HVAP Pershing 90mm (unit penetration <1)Panther - 0.884 Jagd - 0.7 OtherNo Debuff versus Skirts 0.2 Deflection multiplier (from 0.15) Increased Crits +15% damage against Tiger, King Tiger & Jagdpanther It all is quite impressive, but the beef here I suppose is that AP round M10s are superior than 2 HVAP Pershings with reduced anti infantry capability. |
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2010, 09:48:54 am » |
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why does basic sherman upgun not nerf AI but this t4 does? makes no sense at all.
] i thought they lowered the splash dmg in a recent patch? Because this Tier 4 basically grants a 200% penetration bonus, no other bonus is THIS high. It would need ot be reduced if we kept the splash the way it is normally.
and the 76mm sherman doesn't increase penetration by like 150-200%? |
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2010, 10:16:50 am » |
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why does basic sherman upgun not nerf AI but this t4 does? makes no sense at all.
i thought they lowered the splash dmg in a recent patch? Because this Tier 4 basically grants a 200% penetration bonus, no other bonus is THIS high. It would need ot be reduced if we kept the splash the way it is normally.
and the 76mm sherman doesn't increase penetration by like 150-200%? sherman 76 was better than 75 vs inf before. now it does basicly the same splash as 75. (only distance_scatter_ratio is double with 76) it seems sherman upgun gives about 80% more penetration(vs hetzer and jagt more than 100%) but this you actually notice vs every tank you fight. with the pershing you only notice it vs super heavies. |
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sgMisten
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2010, 10:28:16 am » |
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With the pershing you only notice it vs super heavies.
Did you read my post above? It affects 5 other tanks, of which only 1 is a super heavy. |
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