The REAL Sherman Calliope

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[Spartan_Marine88]

Also to note im pretty sure all ATG's also had some HE and shrapnel style rounds if infantry started to close in.

(that wouldn't make sense on the list as that chart was for tank pen, and those rounds wouldn't ever be used against tanks)

[AmPM]

Yes they did have HE, except for the Brits.

[brn4meplz]

Who needs HE when you've got HESH

Also the Brits developed APDS rounds which are far superior to any other type of Armour piercing round of the time period

Also pretty sure I've got it here somewhere/read elsewhere that the brits do use HE rounds for all types of weapons platforms

[acker]

Fair enough. Good stuff. However, even with the "regular" AP, the sherman would have to remain a kilometer away to avoid 100% penetration... a distance we only dream of in CoH

Don't forget to account for slope when looking at armor values. The T-34's frontal plate was even thinner than the Sherman's, but had rough armor parity due to a better angle.

The "real" armor thickness was around 64-89 millimeters for the upper hull of the 1942, M4A1 version of the Sherman (which was the one with 51mm of frontal hull armor). Which was, for the time, awesome. Later models uparmored, for understandable reasons.

Last edit, I swear: judging from the stuff I'm seeing on the lower hull and mantle, the upper hull was the thinnest, not the thickest, part of the Sherman's front.

[AmPM]

51mm of armor on the front plate, the 64mm-76mm of armor is actually for the front of the turret. All turrets were better armored than the tanks main body....usually. They are also better sloped in the front.

Side, rear, and top armor were a joke though on the Sherman.

Either way, the PaK 38 could reliably engage the Sherman, and the PaK 40 made a joke out of it.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Lol was watching a documentary with a german tank driver speaking, and he said the entire german army knew that shermans kept thier ammo in the turrets of the sherman so they just aimed for it and laughed.

(And when a shell nails another shell in the turret no amount of wet storage will stop that chain reaction)

[AmPM]

Who needs HE when you've got HESH

Also the Brits developed APDS rounds which are far superior to any other type of Armour piercing round of the time period

Also pretty sure I've got it here somewhere/read elsewhere that the brits do use HE rounds for all types of weapons platforms

For most of the war they failed to give HE rounds to anything they considered "Anti-tank", so 2pdr, 6pdr, 17pdr, and any tank armed with those weapons. It was fail.

[MittinsKittens]

Lol was watching a documentary with a german tank driver speaking, and he said the entire german army knew that shermans kept thier ammo in the turrets of the sherman so they just aimed for it and laughed.

Link please? I want to see this

[Spartan_Marine88]

Link please? I want to see this

Canadian History Channel, one of the Tank shows

Brits also called them Zippos by the way they always exploded.
But i think my favourite line was when the Driver looks at this Sherman this town has in the center of it (that his crew killed) and he is like "we called there cannons door knockers" then he laughs and makes a knocking shound on the tank hull.

[acker]

51mm of armor on the front plate, the 64mm-76mm of armor is actually for the front of the turret.

51mm was sloped anywhere from 35-53 degrees: 64-89 millimeters. The T-34 had, in comparison, a frontal hull armor of 45mm thickness, which was sloped about ten degrees more to compensate. The turret and lower hull values for the Sherman are somewhat complicated, depending on the model and gun.

Side armor was crap. Amusingly, it was still ten millimeters thicker than side armor on, say, the Panther I. Not that it mattered, anyhow, all medium tanks were screwed if hit in the side.

[Akranadas]

I see your Calliope and Raise you some Tulips

Tank Use

In 1945, some British Shermans were fitted with two rails, one either side of the turret, to carry two 60 lb (27 kg) headed rockets. These were used at the Rhine Crossing by tanks of the 1st Coldstream Guards. The tanks were called "Sherman Tulips". The tanks fitted included both conventional Shermans and the more heavily armed Sherman Fireflies.

The rockets were highly inaccurate when fired from a tank as they were being fired from a stationary point and had little slipstream over the fins. Despite this, the RP-3 was valued by tank crews for the destructive effect of its 60 pound warhead

[Tymathee]

ooh, me want.