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[Smokaz]

Sad to see you go artekas.. but only the really thick skinned manz can stand the constant supression fire of the stupid42 in eirr

[Artekas]

I realise after just 4 hours that EiRR is the only thing keeping me not absolutely and completely bored while my bro is sleeping / at work / busy, despite the community. I was able to just walk away from OMG without looking back when the community turned out to be bad, but I can't do it with EiRR. I guess you could consider that a compliment on how awesome the mod is. I'm going to refrain from even trying to debate though, since it's just a waste of time with this community. Unless you're super hardcore elite and have access to a super hardcore elite forum, I guess.

/quit command unknown

[Smokaz]

You'll eat those words too Im afraid and be back arguing soon. That's just how Satan designd this Pit of depravity and uselessness. Feel no shame.

If I had a nickel for every guy who came crawling back (not saying you did) to Crack in Europe on some smurf or just said "hey guys I'll just vet up another vet 3 tiger" I'd .. i'd be able to .. to .. buy something.

[Unkn0wn]

There's a reason why us developers try to stay away from public balance discussions :p

[slyguy7447]

Absolute best thing to do artekas is not post at all on most of the forums, and in regards to balance, look at what you did in game vs the unit in question before declaring it OP.  99% of the time it appears OP because you didn't counter it properly or effectively (or at all).  So so many things can appear OP in this mod purely based on lack of experience, FJ's w/ FG42s, ISTs, Marders, Tigers, Panthers, cloaked paks, armoured cars, cloaked stormies, 88s and that's just a few from the axis side, can only imagine how it may seem vs allies.  Every game when i started had something seem OP, but i always looked at my own play, saw the fault, tried to fix it.  In the end i needed some help from the more experienced players on company composition and tactics before i really started emerging from the noob darkness.  Point is, many balance forum posts results in ridicule from many players because they know that it's more likely your own poor play in a given situation rather than something being OP.  Having said that the odd OP item does crop up but it's mostly t4 doctrines and certain combinations of units rather than any one unit in particular.

[Artekas]

Slyguy, I don't need a lecture. Just because I'm new-ish doesn't mean I go around declaring things OP left and right. In fact, I have called absolutely nothing in the game overpowered at any point. I've only argued one perceived major balance issue, and I thought out my argument very well, not just "I lost using this so it sucks, buff pls". If you respond to a well thought argument with a simple ad hominem, blaming the player for bad play but without coming up with any counterpoint for the argument itself, you are retarded and need to stay out of balance threads.

For example, there was a balance thread a newer player made about Marders. He said that Marders were OP because they had huge splash damage, fired faster than ATGs, and killed ATGs. Did I just call him a noob and say l2p? No. I actually gave him a proper response on why none of what he said was true. He thought Marders were OP because he was new, but I didn't attack him without actually addressing his argument. If a new player makes a failtastic argument, you can very easily disprove it, without resorting to ad hominem.

[LeoPhone]

that guy was talking about the PIV IST.

[Artekas]

He said it killed his M10 and sniped his ATG from max ATG range, I don't think a PzIV IST can do that! Not to mention he explicitly mentioned the Marder as a tank-hunter IRL and he thought it had been made into an MBT in the game. A Marder CAN kill infantry, although it's certainly not a huge splash.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Just because I'm new-ish doesn't mean I go around declaring things OP left and right.

Don't worry leophone has that covered, just go check out his latest "its op" post.

A Marder CAN kill infantry, although it's certainly not a huge splash.

Im not sure it has any splash. But a marder will snipe an inf about every 1 in 10 shots.

[Artekas]

It does have splash, but it's the smallest splash out of anything in the game that has a splash and only does 0.1x damage (15).

[tank130]

Am I the only guy here that finds his constant use of the term "ad hominem" really annoying.......

Here's some of the problem as I see it. Before your first post in regards to a "perceived major balance issue", you claim to have played a large number of games. While this is more than likely true, you are relatively new to the community and your opinions on balance may not be considered worthy at this point in time.

If your concerns are valid, the amount of time in the community technically should not matter. However, in reality it does. That is not going to change among the group of people currently here. I have been here for over 3 years; the same group of dick heads who like to insult and criticize have been here since then.

My humble advice is: give it another month of posting before you expect the morons to accept your input. After that, just ignore the morons ( you will know who they are ).
Option 2: Quit the mod, spend more time masturbating to online porn.....

[RoyalHants]

It does have splash, but it's the smallest splash out of anything in the game that has a splash and only does 0.1x damage (15).

your still discussing i thought you left these kinda discusions that have usually nothing accomplished in them other than to realise whats OP and UP :p
Tip sit back and enjoy playing its the best bit about eirr teh forums just full off trolls (like me) most of the time   
basically what the post below me says

[Gaelthal]

Artekas, I'd advice you not to bother about the forums really and just play the mod. If you have any balance concerns you should rather try to voice your oppinion through PM's or talking to devs/mods on ventrilo.

I for myself have played this mod for several years, though few people know that due to the fact that I rarely post on the forums. Though I'd love to see a change in the community behaviour on the forums I've decided to not care about all the shit being posted and just play the game instead. Most of the people hanging about on ventrilo are decent people who are fun talking to.

While I agree on your arguements about how people should act while discussing on the forums, it will demand alot of work from the forum-mods. Cause almost every single discussion started ends up with shit being thrown back and forth between certain members of the community. EiR got a very small community sadly enough, so if mods started banning people the public forum would more or less die out :p

I personally read the forums all the time and ignore a majority of the posts and only read what devs/mods and a few others write.

Too bad if you decide to leave, hope you decide to stick around cause I've enjoyed playing with you. Just ignore the shitkids and enjoy the game

[Smokaz]

Plus if gaelthal posted we'd just nerf whatever he wanted buffed anyway

[winisez]

Its an EIR community auto immune response, similar to how  issues smokaz raise being pushed to the bottom of the "to do" list.

[shockcoil]

Why are you a content creator? You haven't done anything.

[winisez]

I helped with some doctrine stuff ages ago, you?


EDIT: looks like I just got blocked from those forums anyways .

PM me at least nxt time guys

[Artekas]

Am I the only guy here that finds his constant use of the term "ad hominem" really annoying.......

Maybe if people would stop using ad hominem, I'd stop saying they're using ad hominem. I'm sorry that you have an issue with a phrase? Got a phobia of Latin words maybe?

you are relatively new to the community and your opinions on balance may not be considered worthy at this point in time.

Opinions? Yeah, you could totally disregard my opinions. If I just came to a thread to say "I think this is OP", it'd be reasonable not to regard that. However, arguments are not something you just disregard. If you can't provide any sort of counterpoint to an argument, it has merit, regardless of whether a new player or top player posted it.

I also never claimed to play a large amount of games, simply 60 after 10 days. This was to disprove Spartan's imaginary shit where I was posting the moment I started playing the mod, not to say that I'm an experienced veteran 'cause I played 6 games a day for 10 days.

RoyalHants.... that wasn't an argument, somebody said they didn't know if the Marder had splash and I explained it did. Besides that, normal arguments are still fine. I'm staying away from balance arguments, which are the kind where people love to use ad hominem.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Maybe if people would stop using ad hominem, I'd stop saying they're using ad hominem. I'm sorry that you have an issue with a phrase? Got a phobia of Latin words maybe?

No its a internet rule especially one from MMO's having to do with a very large amount of completely useless scrubs/guilds that like to use latin to look/sound smarter and more skilled then they really are.

Now before you start on me. This has nothing to do with you using it. Just its usually unnecessary to use them, and most of us were tired of it. And not one of those fancy pants guilds ever tried to use it to be funny or get around rules.

Tbh, my next guild name Veni Vidi Vici Tua Mater

[tank130]

Maybe if people would stop using ad hominem, I'd stop saying they're using ad hominem. I'm sorry that you have an issue with a phrase? Got a phobia of Latin words maybe?

What's Latin for STFU?