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[Demon767]

Don't post on EIR then.

[DarkSoldierX]

Like I said earlier, The only thing I dislike is the pak38 vs rear modifiers fail and the fact that it gets free skirts.

Other than that its food for my AT based companies.

[8thRifleRegiment]

Don't post on EIR then

+1 lmao

[DarkSoldierX]

1. I swear both demon and tym are nubs
2. Get the fuck on topic
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What do you think about jumbo loosing skirts?

Maybe it could pay for it, but how would you symbolize that on the model?

[Tymathee]

i'm against changing it, it's a t3 unlock, it's slow and its only good vs infantry, its only saving grace IS that it can bounce shots.

and its not free skirts, its just panther_skirt armor, which gives it a 10% dmg buff vs schrecks, which is nothing tbh, thats 135 on a clean hit and 108 on a scattered hit.

[Malgoroth]

The only thing wrong with the Jumbo is the doctrine it's unlocked in. Should be in armor tbh. Give armor the option of either heavy ass rape pershings, or cheaper ass rape resistant shermans. ...or a queer mix of both should they want to.

Having what basically amounts to a heavy tank in the infantry doctrine doesn't make all that much sense to me.

[RikiRude]

could you imagine how sexy a jumbo with armor buffs would be?

but jumbo works for infantry because it's an awesome infantry support tank.

[Malgoroth]

Armor doesn't have many buffs that increase survivability save Urban Survival Kit's 12% less received damage, so I don't think the Jumbo would become 'too much' to handle. But yeah, I suppose the other buffs armor gives would make it "sexy". Not OP but "sexy" for sure.

Still, it's basically a heavy tank. It can be used for infantry support in the Armor doctrine. Having a tough ass Jumbo supporting infantry doctrine buffed rangers and support weapons seems a little extreme. Regular shermans could do that job and not be so (I don't want to say "overwhelming"... but) overwhelming.

[Tymathee]

its not in armor cuz they have the pershing and callie already.

the Jumbo is and was (realistically) an infantry support tank, not an MBT. Which in EIRR is so true as well, it sux without any type of infantry support, it gets raped rather fast.

overwhelming? really Mal? the only overwhelming thing about it is it can bounce shots, other than that it's a 75mm Sherman with a .50 cal

[nugnugx]

its only saving grace IS that it can bounce shots.

yes thats the reason,  relic didn't make uber armor medium us tank for a reason

[Tymathee]

yes thats the reason,  relic didn't make uber armor medium us tank for a reason

Yes, and neither did they make a sniper that can fire and suppress and not have the "sniped" icon
Nor did they make an axis atgun that can penetration any allied armor
Nor did they make a support weapon that rapes infantry
Nor did they make a mobile pak on wheels
Nor did they make ist's, stukas and hummels have flame rounds
Nor did they make it so IST's and move while locked down

So what's your point? I can come up with more.

The point is, this is a design decision and it's no where near OP. But of course, only you and demon are the ones attacking me on this so its obvious you're trolling me and can't come up with any better argument other than "I'm too effin stupid to come up with a way to counter it"

[NightRain]

Yes, and neither did they make a sniper that can fire and suppress and not have the "sniped" icon
Nor did they make an axis atgun that can penetration any allied armor PAK38 penetrates all allied armor with its first shot, + 88 penetrates all allied vehicles as well. Point invalid
Nor did they make a support weapon that rapes infantry Mortar?
Nor did they make a mobile pak on wheels Did you...think when you...

[brn4meplz]

The holy trinity for tank design is Mobility, Firepower, Protection. The Jumbo only has 1 side of the triangle and pays a high price for it.

[nugnugx]

The only great armor tanks were always axis heavies (excluding pershing which was small exception from start) , giving a good protection to allied tank  ( and a MEDIUM on top of it all)  is just meh,   it should be either firepower or mobility like the whole factions tank metagameplay.

It would be more logical to give a medium good armored tank to axis than to allies going with metagameplay. (that's why allies have AP rounds)

[Tymathee]

like axis needs more heavy armor. Allies already have issues vs pathers, tigers, king tigers, jagds, hetzers, stugs, and stuhs, why would they need another? The allies only have teh churchill, pershing and now jumbo.

With the m-18 being more effective, theres no need to give another hard hitting or fast unit.

[AmPM]

Meanwhile, Tym would scream and cry if we got 2 KT's in Terror.

[PonySlaystation]

The m18 is more effective? I think not!

[nugnugx]

like axis needs more heavy armor.

With this sentence you are contradicting the basic gameplay which is in eir and coh since 4 years.
If heavy armor was not intended, relic would not make jagpanther nor different variations of tiger.
They did not make a tank like jumbo beacause it is absolutely not needed, and as proven, breaks gameplay

Why allies need good armor AT ALL if axis don't have dedicated counter dictated by metagameplay which are AP rounds.

With the m-18 being more effective, theres no need to give another hard hitting or fast unit.

Then there is no need for jumbo then, because allies got the units they need  with speed and firepower, they don't need a medium tiger.

[Tymathee]

With this sentence you are contradicting the basic gameplay which is in eir and coh since 4 years.
If heavy armor was not intended, relic would not make jagpanther nor different variations of tiger.
They did not make a tank like jumbo beacause it is absolutely not needed, and as proven, breaks gameplay

Why allies need good armor AT ALL if axis don't have dedicated counter dictated by metagameplay which are AP rounds.




Then there is no need for jumbo then, because allies got the units they need  with speed and firepower, they don't need a medium tiger.

dude, like i said before, then they dont need mobile freakin paks, mobile ists, snipers that can hit without u knowing where they are and many other things that are made for EIRR through doctrines and additions, so that argument is totally invalid.

Lol medium tiger? 87.5 vs 120 dmg and 736 health weaker armored sherman vs a faster 1064 health tiger. a panther easily beats a jumbo 1 v 1, how is it a weaker tiger? it's more of a stronger sherman than a weaker tiger, especially since Tigers can penetrate all allied armor and the 75 has issues penetrating freakin p4's. Just shut up already.

[nugnugx]

dude, like i said before, then they dont need mobile freakin paks,

paks were always mobile and before they could move under cloak

mobile ists, snipers that can hit without u knowing where they are and many other things

This is different because allies have means to kill a ist or sniper, you do it normaly like you always have done. While when a jumbo with its armor attacks you , 80% of shots bounce off and there is nothing you can do about it.

Lol medium tiger? 87.5 vs 120 dmg and 736 health weaker armored sherman vs a faster 1064 health tiger. a panther easily beats a jumbo 1 v 1, how is it a weaker tiger? it's more of a stronger sherman than a weaker tiger, especially since Tigers can penetrate all allied armor and the 75 has issues penetrating freakin p4's. Just shut up already.

Stronger sherman, weaker tiger = different naming , same thing. It does the purpose like tiger does,  kill infantry with ease, got good frontal armor which is more effective than tigers because axis don't have AP rounds, can kill all pe vehicles hts ists,  it cannot kill only p4 and heavies,  what would you expect , to kill a tiger with a sherman? Tym pls.


There is a easy way to fix this tho.

Give AP rounds to paks and 50mm hts and everyone will be happy.