17p AP rounds

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[DarkSoldierX]

Alright for you who don't know.
57 AP is 40 mu
17 AP is 50 mu

They give the same bonuses of 5x pen and 1.25x damage.

The 17p already have high penetration (68% to penetrate jagdpanther at long range vs 57mm's 15.3% chance at long)

So the 17p can penetrate tanks most of the time, and as you can see a penetration increase is VERY marginal compared to the huge bonuses a 57mm gets from AP.

One other problem with this is that the 17 pounder has a 7! reload comared to the 5.3 the 57mm has, so chances are he will only get 1 AP round shot off before the use is waisted, and even if he does stay within range thats 2 shots max, which do the same damage as a 57mm with AP.

So basicly the only thing you get from this is 25% damage increase.

So is AP 17p worth 10 munitions more than 57mm AP rounds?

I propose 17p AP should be 25 munitions, or should get replaced with something else.

Edit: Pre AP costing used to be this much because it gave acc increases and range increase and 50% increased damage

[LeoPhone]

17 pdr AP rounds gives + 5 range and x1.25 accuracy as well.

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[DarkSoldierX]

Oh, DAMN YOU LAUNCHER! RGD IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!! GAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hicks58]

Also, no matter how well you time it, you can only ever get two AP round shots off from a 57mm.

So, there isn't a difference there.

Range, accuracy, penetration (Which is useful against heavies/super heavies... You can bounce against Panthers and above, just not anywhere as often as 57/6pndr) and damage are all good bonuses to have, and make that 50mu investment well worth it.

[DarkSoldierX]

And the base 17p cost same as a pak40, but it has less damage and longer reload than a pak40.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

well the pak40 is a teir 3 while the 17 is a teir 1

[DarkSoldierX]

And so cost effeicency should always remain the same. The 17p should be cheaper because of its less DPS. It does have higher long range accursey vs tanks, but that is offset by low atg scatter(nevermind pak40 has this too -_-), and the higher dam/lower reload of the pak40.

[Tymathee]

oh and its lower than a pak40.

so we have same price, slower reload, slower movement speed, slower turning speed, lower damage lower penetration...oh but there's ap rounds

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Pak40 is a teir 3 while 17 is a teir1.

[Tymathee]

Pak40 is a teir 3 while 17 is a teir1.

please stop stating that I already know that, i run pak40's.

i just stated 5 differences where it's worse, so either the pak40 needs to go up in price or the 17 down in price.

I can tell you from using both i would take a 40 over a 17 anyday and if i had a choice between a 17 or a 6 pdr, i'm taking the 6 pdr easily unless there's a heavy about, that's really the only time you'd want to bring it out and even then I could just bring out a firefly which is mobile, why bother with a 17 pdr?

[AmPM]

Tier availability is part if the cost.

If Tigers were t1 would you say they are fine?

[DarkSoldierX]

Tier availability is part if the cost.

If Tigers were t1 would you say they are fine?

No, its not.

[AmPM]

Yes they are, you pay pp for it, plus sacrifice other choices. That is a cost, not a resource cost but still a cost. Also, you can't directly compare units without looking at the faction. 17pdr helps CW AT far more than a PaK40 helps Wehr.

[Tymathee]

not really since a firefly is much more effective at killing the same stuff the 17 pdr does and is way more mobile

[RikiRude]

not really since a firefly is much more effective at killing the same stuff the 17 pdr does and is way more mobile

yeah but a FF is 12 pop, along with a CT which gets up to 14 pop. you can field 2 17s for that much.

[Tymathee]

u dont need a cct to be good with a FF, it just makes it better.

well teh thing is, FF's can't be decrewed and they can run away.

[AmPM]

yeah but a FF is 12 pop, along with a CT which gets up to 14 pop. you can field 2 17s for that much.

And it doesn't use up your fuel. So you can still use Fireflies or Churchill's. Churchill Croc's for instance.

So you have awesome AI, good AT, and Bren Button....sounds like a good doctrine choice to me.

Yea, definitely not worth taking right?

[AmPM]

well teh thing is, Panthers can't be decrewed and they can run away.

Same applies to Axis and the PaK40, except you sacrifice a T3 for it.

[DarkSoldierX]

Yea, definitely not worth taking right?

Not if a 6p is much more cost effective, and a pak40 does much better.


If you take two players, both level 9 and maxed out so they both have the argument of the "cost" of a T3 being inert, who do you think does better? The guy using the cost effective pak40, or the guy using the worse 17P?

[AmPM]

Not if a 6p is much more cost effective, and a pak40 does much better.


If you take two players, both level 9 and maxed out so they both have the argument of the "cost" of a T3 being inert, who do you think does better? The guy using the cost effective pak40, or the guy using the worse 17P?

The guy with the 17pdr, because he also has Churchill Croc's and Ablative Armor.