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PonySlaystation
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #60 on:
October 29, 2011, 09:21:50 am »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on October 29, 2011, 08:00:07 am
Because then american basic infantry become useless.
No, not necessarily. Regular BARs could be 70 and SF BARs 80. That would be balanced.
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TheVolskinator
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #61 on:
October 29, 2011, 09:38:42 am »
What would that solve? Id take SF bars any day, explicitly for an 'oh shit!' button when (and it always happens) some knucklehead charges a blob of elite axis inf at me.
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TheVolskinator
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #62 on:
October 29, 2011, 09:40:48 am »
Meh, if the devs were going to flat out remove SF you might as well drop rifles to 110 MP, cuz thats about what theyre worth without the ability--hell, they might not even be worth that. I can run mass engie flamers and kill more.
SF is THE saving grace of U.S. infantry--without it, rifles are worthless. "Nuuuuu mass BARs ftw!" that get run over by elite infantry and MGs. "Run mass stickies and roflpwn all vehicles, noob!" ok, and get kited to death?? The arguments are mute; either SF goes and BARs as well as riflemen become cheaper, or everything stays as is and WE STAY THE HELL ON TOPIC ABOUT FOCUS FIRE,
WHICH IS
REALLY
GAY WITH ELITE ARMOR AND CREW MP44s!!!!!!!!!!
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Focus Fire
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October 29, 2011, 09:43:34 am »
Quote from: PonySlaystation on October 29, 2011, 09:21:50 am
No, not necessarily. Regular BARs could be 70 and SF BARs 80. That would be balanced.
Quote from: Hicks58 on October 29, 2011, 06:37:18 am
I'd be all for removing SF and reducing BAR price. Might make other upgrades useful too.
I thought you were talking about removing SF from it entirely because thats what I am assuming Hicks is saying.
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skaffa
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #64 on:
October 29, 2011, 09:45:16 am »
No.
I only use SF as a backup tool for when KCH or MP44 units come rushing in. Else you dont need it to kill axis inf.
But thats me, I save it for when I really need it, cause I want to keep my units on the field for as long as possible. (old strat I played)
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Smokaz
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #65 on:
October 29, 2011, 09:47:21 am »
Let me guess. You all have double rifle callins and are super mad that they dont always equal pop of axis inf.
Well thats why you run triple callins. Or quadruple.
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MorkaandBorka
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #66 on:
October 29, 2011, 09:56:11 am »
Quote from: skaffa on October 29, 2011, 09:45:16 am
No.
I only use SF as a backup tool for when KCH or MP44 units come rushing in. Else you dont need it to kill axis inf.
But thats me, I save it for when I really need it, cause I want to keep my units on the field for as long as possible. (old strat I played)
LOL olddddd strat, youve probably never heard of it.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #67 on:
October 29, 2011, 09:57:41 am »
Quote from: TheVolskinator on October 29, 2011, 09:40:48 am
WE STAY THE HELL ON TOPIC ABOUT FOCUS FIRE,
WHICH IS
REALLY
GAY WITH ELITE ARMOR AND CREW MP44s!!!!!!!!!!
fine, use a fucking mortar put a rifle squad in front of mortar
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smurfORnot
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #68 on:
October 29, 2011, 10:50:28 am »
Quote from: TheVolskinator on October 29, 2011, 09:40:48 am
Meh, if the devs were going to flat out remove SF you might as well drop rifles to 110 MP, cuz thats about what theyre worth without the ability--hell, they might not even be worth that. I can run mass engie flamers and kill more.
SF is THE saving grace of U.S. infantry--without it, rifles are worthless. "Nuuuuu mass BARs ftw!" that get run over by elite infantry and MGs. "Run mass stickies and roflpwn all vehicles, noob!" ok, and get kited to death?? The arguments are mute; either SF goes and BARs as well as riflemen become cheaper, or everything stays as is and WE STAY THE HELL ON TOPIC ABOUT FOCUS FIRE,
WHICH IS
REALLY
GAY WITH ELITE ARMOR AND CREW MP44s!!!!!!!!!!
look at keeps and his rifle coy with no bars,and that shit rolls!
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Hicks58
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #69 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:22:44 am »
Didn't we agree at some point that keeps could roll with an all vanilla engineer company and still have a positive W/L?
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Quote from: brn4meplz on November 05, 2012, 10:45:05 am
I mean I know Obama was the first one in EiR to get a card. and tbfh the Race card is pretty OP. but Romney has the K.K.K., those guys seem to camo anywhere. So OP units from both sides.
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BigDick
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #70 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:25:31 am »
Quote from: TheVolskinator
SF is THE saving grace of U.S. infantry--without it, rifles are worthless.
O RLY?
http://www.xfire.com/video/4f1f6d/
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Quote from: PonySlaystation on October 29, 2011, 09:21:50 am
No, not necessarily. Regular BARs could be 70 and SF BARs 80. That would be balanced.
rofl i don't think the way to balance bars and SF is to
buff
them
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Hicks58
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #71 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:30:30 am »
Stop using that video Dick. It makes me cringe at the incompetency of the Volks-user every time I see it.
To me, SF is a relic of vCoH that we've never shaken off or made appropriate for EiRR.
In vCoH, you use it to force an enemy retreat at the cost of munitions.
In EiRR you use it to force an enemy retreat (essentially 'killing' the squad(s)) at no extra cost to the weapon.
Kill SF, drop BAR's to 60-70 MU and give it a week to see if Axis infantry is truly OP.
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BigDick
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #72 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:31:47 am »
and how u gonna price lmgs than? 50mun? because 1 lmg upgrade is way inferior in terms of dps to the bar upgrade
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deadbolt
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #73 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:33:19 am »
grens dont need to be upgraded to rock, rifles do.
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BigDick
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #74 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:34:51 am »
grens are 20% more expensive (and more vulnerable/worse to other stuff like snipers or recrewing, more vulnerable to tanks etc.) they are supposed to be better
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Hicks58
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #75 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:40:55 am »
You pay for SF as part of the BAR package. If you take away SF and leave the price, you'll be nerfing the BAR's themselves.
Also, while BAR's might have a higher DPS than a single LMG, the squad holding the LMG is going to be surviving longer than the squad holding the BAR's.
Being vulnerable to other things has nothing to do with BAR/LMG balance.
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CafeMilani
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Posts: 2994
Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #76 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:41:54 am »
FACT is that focus fire itself is fine, its the T4 that gives MGs elite armor and mp44s ppl cant deal with.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Posts: 4838
Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #77 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:43:11 am »
Quote from: aloha622 on October 29, 2011, 11:41:54 am
FACT is that focus fire itself is fine, its the T4 that gives MGs elite armor and mp44s ppl cant deal with.
Its the fact that the people facing it are trying to do so with ONLY bars or rangers toss in a mortar, or a backing tank and your good to go.
Quote from: BigDick on October 29, 2011, 11:25:31 am
O RLY?
http://www.xfire.com/video/4f1f6d/
rofl i don't think the way to balance bars and SF is to
buff
them
The volks werent even aiming at the rifles due to movement for like a 3rd of the combat.
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DarkSoldierX
EIR Veteran
Posts: 3015
Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #78 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:44:48 am »
Quote from: BigDick on October 29, 2011, 11:34:51 am
grens are 20% more expensive (and more vulnerable/worse to other stuff like snipers or recrewing, more vulnerable to tanks etc.) they are supposed to be better
And to balance that axis sniper shoots faster, p4 shoots faster, better support weapons, ect.
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BigDick
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Re: Focus Fire
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Reply #79 on:
October 29, 2011, 11:45:58 am »
Quote from: Spartan_Marine88 on October 29, 2011, 11:43:11 am
The volks werent even aiming at the bars due to movement for like a 3rd of the combat.
What bars? that were vanilla rifles vs mp40 volks with steady aim medkits and pervertin pills
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