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[Demon767]

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[deadbolt]

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[Heartmann]

Its ok smokaz, its free, I just hope you learn something.

Look I understand what deadbolt is saying, and even if what Demon is saying feels more like a tag along than a personal opinion, they have a point.

Yes people dodge, that is true, but people should also have a right to dodge if they feel like it, who made you Judge, Jury and Executioner?

The real problem is when people only dodge so they can continuously fight new guys, and not trying even ONCE to fight higher ranking players.

The problem here is that the skill levels vary a lot, and sometimes it does not even have to do with "real" skill, but ppl just running a unit combination that is "broken" or exploitable. With the worst part being they do not even try to play other factions or sides. THIS is also a problem.

Now during my first year of EiR, I only played PE/Lufftwaffe, and sometimes i did switch over, but only when I had my "buddies" (Satch and Pony) there with me. The reason being at that time they had a much higher skill lvl than I did. But after a couple of games I felt I dared to fight "alone" ofc this resulted in a 6-10 game loss streaks vs Aloha, Bigdick, Two, Wind, Smokie and all you other "older" players.

What kept me coming back was not only did some players try and help, but I also got to know more players, and getting mentored.

THAT is what I believe we need to get moving again, A mentoring system where the higher lvl guys have games to specifically teach and support the newer ones.

NOW, i know that some new players make this rather hard, *coughs* DTANK *coughs*, as they refuse to hear our warnings and recommendations. But players like Magua, whom I have had a nice chat with from time to time does want to learn more.

So I recommend you if you want to see less dodging and stacks, help train and support players so they can counter stack back!

Things will not change by raising your fists at what ever Deity you worship, and shouting for change, in the same way that hiding behind false masks and hoods changes what you stand for, sure you are making a stand, but no one knows who you are or when you are doing it, and therefore the stand in itself becomes rather, shall we say limp?

Now I know that Smokaz can teach when he wants to, and deadbolt I have never had a boring game when fighting you, and truly look forward to it when I get a chance since I learn a whole lot of what I need to do to get better ^^
So instead of just pissing about why not try and actively change things than just sitting with your thumbs in your mouths and whining?

[Tymathee]

hard to keep new players around if they keep getting stomped. its also hard for them to learn. i didn't really start to get better until I played my own level more often and was able to find something i was good at. when ur constantly getting whupped its hard to learn

[PonySlaystation]

hard to keep new players around if they keep getting stomped. its also hard for them to learn. i didn't really start to get better until I played my own level more often and was able to find something i was good at. when ur constantly getting whupped its hard to learn

That's not entirely true. When playing vCoH I found that the best way to improve was when I was beaten because then that player had a superior strategy that I could learn from and adapt so that I could improve. If I just fought against players who were worse than me then I never learned anything.

Watching replays is also an important part. To know the exact strategy of my opponent I had to watch the replay.

[Smokaz]

This theorem that new players getting stomped quit the game or that the community scares away this and that has no evidence at all to support it. It's all a bunch of mishy mashy "I-have-Nyan-Cat-On-My-Iphone" feelery supported by slick hair metrosexuals like Heartmann and mental children like Tym.

The real fact is that players simply lose interest because the game is too hard to learn and that the product itself isn't all that good. Step back from EIRR a couple of months and notice that nobody including yourself give a flying fuck about this mod outside of its diehardfans. How can anyone hold the belief that EIRR is so superior when the other games forum is filled with suggestions on how to alternatively spend your time combined with the Mod itself having almost no consistently high activity levels past 30-40 guys playing at once.

Sure you'll be back because supporting the product replicates JUST THAT: supporting. Once humans invest in something they wanna see it through and they will keep convincing themselves there's a good reason they keep returning to the guy who beats them. It's a stockholm syndrome of infatuation with your captor, but once you take a break its turns hollow and meaningless.

New players can't be coerced into active learning and appreciating the mod
Old players can't be coerced into making a effort of learning them
Devs can't be coerced into fulfilling community expectations

Stop caring, and you'll be free.

What kept me coming back was not only did some players try and help, but I also got to know more players, and getting mentored.

Oh shove it, shorty. What kept you coming back was the fact that you came back. Active learning of course helped you become good but what kept you playing was your own willingness to do so. These ingrates you see mucking about these days will have to claw their way into enjoyment, nobody can do anything but help them along the way.

[Heartmann]

Stop caring, and you'll be free.

Did someone reject you recently Smokaz? Do you feel you have to detach yourself from the world and emotions just to be able to deal with yourself or said situation?

Ill never stop caring, for that is what gets this escapism come alive, like reading a good book or watching a good movie, the caring makes it, if only for a brief moment come alive.

Now I don't know what it is that made you stop wanting to feel, or care, but I will tell you that its not going to work or help you feel better.

A community grows via the common bond of interests and the shared goal to strive towards, be that discussion or the watching of monkeys fornicating in cages. One cannot have a community without bonds, and these bonds Smokaz, no matter how much you deny it demand care.

But my words will probably fall on deaf ears and cynic hearts, but maybe later, when you have come back from this pain you are running from, you will know that I'm right.

[Mister Schmidt]

I love this thread so much

[PonySlaystation]

slick hair metrosexuals like Heartmann

LOL

Also the reason that the other game section is so popular is because everyone is playing BF3. The few EIR players not playing BF can't get a game so they look for alternatives as well. It's just a small recession.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Personally I think EiR's going to have one foot in the grave with the turn of the month, since all these awesome November releases will likely be occupying many players' free time. Everyone will probably come back once the warmap is released though.

[Sachaztan]

I'm an asshole

Trying to wrestle the asshole throne from keeps are we?

[EliteGren]

ROFL. Keeps is literally the nicest and most hilarious guy ever, he is just a master troll here. You probably haven't talked to him outside of these forums

[Sachaztan]

ROFL. Keeps is literally the nicest and most hilarious guy ever, he is just a master troll here. You probably haven't talked to him outside of these forums

You really have to explain how being a troll isn't the same as being an asshole.

If I murder someone but I only do it "ironicly" it's just fine? What about exterminating jews? Surely as long as I do it for the good of mankind surely no one can object with that!?

[Mister Schmidt]

ROFL. Keeps is literally the nicest and most hilarious guy ever, he is just a master troll here. You probably haven't talked to him outside of these forums

+1 I've only spoken to Keeps a couple times but he did seem like a nice guy in all honesty.

[EliteGren]

Being a troll is just that, being a troll. Being an asshole is usually going around with the intention of insulting or hurting people, while a troll annoys them just for laughs.

So basically what you said is that a troll can be set to the same level as a murderer. Yeah right, not gonna go any further into such hypocrisy

[Smokaz]

Not only do your taste reflect the shaving of your armpits, but your comparisons are off as well.

I'm thinking of letting you inherit Sach's title, ballsacha

[Sachaztan]

Being a troll is just that, being a troll. Being an asshole is usually going around with the intention of insulting or hurting people, while a troll annoys them just for laughs.

So basically what you said is that a troll can be set to the same level as a murderer. Yeah right, not gonna go any further into such hypocrisy

A trolls intention is to insult and hurt other people for his own gratification. You're going to have to pull a better mind-pretzel than that.

[EliteGren]

A trolls intention is to insult and hurt other people for his own gratification.

Opinions.

[Demon767]

A trolls intention is to insult and hurt other people for his own gratification.

On this furom, an extreme more amount of other circumstances are interpreted as trolling. Like people think i troll, havent trolled in my life!

[Heartmann]

Quote from: Sachaztan on Today at 02:42:47 pm
A trolls intention is to insult and hurt other people for his own gratification.

Opinions.

Yes its true that its his opinion, but that does not make his point any less valid and logical.