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[Groundfire]

Too much? 

[Crono]

FIGHT CLUB! But yea id puch Ghandi to ^^

Because Mr. Marx, was the author, while the bible has been over translated and written down via hear say, its easy to miss interpret the bible, But in das kaptial, amongst many of his works, he clearly states the rise of class struggle as a must and he is the single most quoted thinker when it comes to "change via conflict". His work has given several degenerates low level working class ppl ideas of a better life while they just should accept there place and we will all be happier for it!

Wow, someone needs to receive more education, or live a little as one of those "degenerates."  Intolerance and greed has lead the world to its current set of affairs.  Money and greed are the problems of the world, and once humanity has become more enlightened and washed away such a trivial thing as currency, we can spend our time as a species are intellectual efforts.  The day is coming, may even in our lifetime.

Oh, and I would punch Heartmann for this comment.

[Masacree]

Free will and a being of higher power/authority that you belive/dont belive in(in my case god) given right and resposibilty that comes with that freedom.

I was going to try to respond to this post, but the first "statement" doesn't even parse as a sentence. At first I thought you were trying to say something about how "free will" is a god given right, but because the verb is completely missing, I have no idea. If that is what you meant, well that opinion stands in stark contradiction with your second attempt to form a sentence:

I mean there is a reason humans are a pack animal, the workers need leaders and the community need structure. communism is a conflict basis of thought that came alive due to a worker seemed it fit to question the system. The problem is that this uppset the natural order of thing, working class at the bottom and upper at the top, a perfect pyramid! Therefor it was doomed from the get go

The first "statement" seems to suggest that communism is a totalitarian philosophy and ought to be rejected because it takes away "free will" or something to that effect. The second argument, on the other hand, argues for some sort of Hobbesian monolithic state to keep the (as you called them in one of your last posts) "degenerates" in line.

I guess I can only take solace in that, judging from your ability to compose grammatically correct English sentences, you are towards the bottom of the capitalist system you so revere and thus are condemned to an existence which is likely to be, as Hobbes put it, "Nasty, brutish, and short."

[Demon767]

i hate this conversation

[Masacree]

I agree. Socialism is oftentimes as bad or worst than communism, especially socialism practiced in bad faith. I remember reading an essay about a worker in a Russian factory who was ecstatic when his factory was "liberated" by the Red Army. All of the workers left the factory that Friday for the weekend wondering what sort of changes would be in store for them. Of course, come Monday, work continued exactly as it always had except, in place of the manager was a commander from the government. Needless to say, this is pretty much the epitome of "you're doing it wrong." I think socialism would more aptly be called "state-run capitalism."

Nevertheless, none of that justifies the current capitalist system.

[shockcoil]

[Demon767]

someone jizzed inside his mask

[Heartmann]

This is soooo fun 

First off I must apologies for my latest statement I just could not help myself  So I might have been trolling a little, and I'am truly sorry for that since this is an important topic.

I come from a to part class family structure, one half are farmers lower middle class, traditional protestant laid back values, freedom of speech, thought and faith, equal rights to anyone who pulls their own weight and respect towards those whom excels via the sweat of their brow.  The other side is higher upper class/aristocracy,  firmer values invested in the Anglo-saxon church, rights to those whom have high enough education and socio-economicall stature, beliefs in the freedom of speech, though and faith as long as its proper and conformed to set norms and values.

My own view on communism is rather dark, it is a opium to the poor and uneducated, unfortunate by its conflict/revolt nature it attracts passionate youth whom feel that they need to fight for something, or leave their mark. Either cause they have a bad conciseness or they feel unjustly treated by society so they need someone to blame. Now ofc faith is just as much an opium in a similar sense, but not all faiths proclaim revolt/conflict to achieve change, I know the Qur'an speaks of conversion by the sword, and I have started reading it thanks to a "kind" donation from Sachaztan.

 But so far I haven't managed to get thought it, but there are some good points in it, but it still has an aggressive view on those whom don't conform, so in that sense it has a common relationship in that it also has the ability to be warped and attract passionate Misguided youths for horrible deeds, which is the same for communism.

Communism is, and don't deny it, a conflict oriented ideology set by a German journalist, philosopher and economist namely Mr. Marx, whom after getting in contact with Friedrich Hegels, whom taught Marx the dialectic philosophical trail of thought which basically in itself is a another basis of conflict since this philosophical doctrine is based in putting things in black and whit Yes vs No.

Now please note ppl, that I stated above that the communist frame of mind appeals to the misguided, passionate and revolt oriented youths, which is rather fun considering Marx himself when getting in contact with Hegel was not even out of his twenties, which just by then diagnosing the rest of his family traits and the fact that he took to the dialectic doctrine he was probably one himself.

Make no mistake socialism and communism are different things, and I personally am just attacking communism, socialism does have its flaws, but it does have the capabilities to be a reformist and conformist doctrine which makes it a more educated, sensible and logical way of going about change, unless you favor going around guillotining ppl ^^  And yes socialism dictates struggle between classes but a struggle does not a revolution make, and especially not a revolution by raising of arms if not heard!

Further more o yea followers of Marx whom still think this man is worth following, for his ideas of an equal society he himself saw cripples, mentally ill and ppl with social or physical disabilities as mathematical anomalies and recommended they be discarded in the transaction and calculation for creating your so call utopia.... now isn't that nice

Arn't an economist thought processes so wonderfully logical !

[spinn72]

This is soooo fun 

First off I must apologies for my latest statement I just could not help myself  So I might have been trolling a little, and I'am truly sorry for that since this is an important topic.

I come from a to part class family structure, one half are farmers lower middle class, traditional protestant laid back values, freedom of speech, thought and faith, equal rights to anyone who pulls their own weight and respect towards those whom excels via the sweat of their brow.  The other side is higher upper class/aristocracy,  firmer values invested in the Anglo-saxon church, rights to those whom have high enough education and socio-economicall stature, beliefs in the freedom of speech, though and faith as long as its proper and conformed to set norms and values.

My own view on communism is rather dark, it is a opium to the poor and uneducated, unfortunate by its conflict/revolt nature it attracts passionate youth whom feel that they need to fight for something, or leave their mark. Either cause they have a bad conciseness or they feel unjustly treated by society so they need someone to blame. Now ofc faith is just as much an opium in a similar sense, but not all faiths proclaim revolt/conflict to achieve change, I know the Qur'an speaks of conversion by the sword, and I have started reading it thanks to a "kind" donation from Sachaztan.

 But so far I haven't managed to get thought it, but there are some good points in it, but it still has an aggressive view on those whom don't conform, so in that sense it has a common relationship in that it also has the ability to be warped and attract passionate Misguided youths for horrible deeds, which is the same for communism.

Communism is, and don't deny it, a conflict oriented ideology set by a German journalist, philosopher and economist namely Mr. Marx, whom after getting in contact with Friedrich Hegels, whom taught Marx the dialectic philosophical trail of thought which basically in itself is a another basis of conflict since this philosophical doctrine is based in putting things in black and whit Yes vs No.

Now please note ppl, that I stated above that the communist frame of mind appeals to the misguided, passionate and revolt oriented youths, which is rather fun considering Marx himself when getting in contact with Hegel was not even out of his twenties, which just by then diagnosing the rest of his family traits and the fact that he took to the dialectic doctrine he was probably one himself.

Make no mistake socialism and communism are different things, and I personally am just attacking communism, socialism does have its flaws, but it does have the capabilities to be a reformist and conformist doctrine which makes it a more educated, sensible and logical way of going about change, unless you favor going around guillotining ppl ^^  And yes socialism dictates struggle between classes but a struggle does not a revolution make, and especially not a revolution by raising of arms if not heard!

Further more o yea followers of Marx whom still think this man is worth following, for his ideas of an equal society he himself saw cripples, mentally ill and ppl with social or physical disabilities as mathematical anomalies and recommended they be discarded in the transaction and calculation for creating your so call utopia.... now isn't that nice

Arn't an economist thought processes so wonderfully logical !

Dude, you get paid to go to uni, I have to fork out an amount of money similar to half of what i'll earn in my first year of full time work..

moral of the story: move to wherever the fuck Heartmann lives.
/thread

[Heartmann]

Hey hey, I work and pay taxes, and this system of government may have its good sides, but its views on prison and justice is fucked up, you will get a harder sentence for tax fraud than rape and murder no joke!

Further more this government system, although it does look after its ppl well enough or better than most id say, but it stil has fostered not only a very pussy kinda ppl, but also a lot of corruption and under the table deals.

[Sachaztan]

Here's an inconvenient truth; the Elites, the 1% at the top, with the wealth, assets, all the useful land, and the means of production absolutely LOVE Socialism. (or communism or fascism, basically anything with centuralized state power)

Yeha I bet they would absolutely LOVE for the state to seize all their assets and nationalise all their companies ^^. Sounds like a wet dream for them <3

[Heartmann]

Yeha I bet they would absolutely LOVE for the state to seize all their assets and nationalise all their companies ^^. Sounds like a wet dream for them <3

Sorta like your profile pic

[Sachaztan]

Hey hey, I work and pay taxes, and this system of government may have its good sides, but its views on prison and justice is fucked up, you will get a harder sentence for tax fraud than rape and murder no joke!

Further more this government system, although it does look after its ppl well enough or better than most id say, but it stil has fostered not only a very pussy kinda ppl, but also a lot of corruption and under the table deals.

Your problem is that you only look at our country, Sweden, and then just nvm the rest of the world.

If you think Sweden has a problem with corruption you haven't seen ANYTHING yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

*edit*

Also the weird judicial system doesn't really have anything to do with Socialism.

[Heartmann]

lol are you for real sach? plz tell me that comment is not serious???!!  I mean you must be able to notice that in the sentence I'm comparing Sweden to the rest of the world, NOT looking solely at it. -.-

[deadbolt]

someone jizzed inside his mask

rofl

[Sachaztan]

lol are you for real sach? plz tell me that comment is not serious???!!  I mean you must be able to notice that in the sentence I'm comparing Sweden to the rest of the world, NOT looking solely at it. -.-

Because your argument that this system "fostered not only a very pussy kinda ppl, but also a lot of corruption and under the table deals." is just plain absurd when taken into context of the rest of the world.

[Killer344]

105.... not so bad.

[Unkn0wn]

Marx =/= communism FYI. Social Democracy too, as we know it in Europe today as just as much based on Marx' work as was Stalin's 'Communism'. What ALL of you are failing to account for when interpreting Marx' work is the century it was written in. All of Marx' work was written in the 19th century, at a time when the working class was ACTUALLY impoverished, had very little to no rights and no means to defend themselves. Marx work was revolutionary in the sense that it inspired most (if not all) of the social legislation that came into life from the end of the 19th century onward. His work inspired a struggle between classes, the result of which we still bear the fruits of today.

You're an idiot if you claim you know anything about Marx and can only refer to bloated terms like 'communism' or 'socialism'.

I'm surprised it was a Swede that triggered this discussion, I don't think anyone in their right mind would not want to live in Sweden. (Which FYI is a true social democracy, not even a socialist democracy)

but its views on prison and justice is fucked up, you will get a harder sentence for tax fraud than rape and murder no joke!

Studies have shown that the percentage of recidivism in Sweden (and Norway) is much lower than that in countries that enforce much harder punishment. (See the US or the UK)

[Dnicee]

I'm surprised it was a Swede that triggered this discussion, I don't think anyone in their right mind would not want to live in Sweden. (Which FYI is a true social democracy, not even a socialist democracy) Studies have shown that the percentage of recidivism in Sweden (and Norway) is much lower than that in countries that enforce much harder punishment. (See the US or the UK)

I'd like to see those studies and I do wanna know why a rapist/murderer should be given a second chance?


One can not be sentenced to life in prison unless you is 21 years old. This means that for example, anyone under 21 years of age could shoot a number of persons and max get 18 years if I can not be considered mentally ill.


And this is a good system? Gonna post some more examples once you start complaining about something.

[tank130]

So probably my turn to step in....

Masacree: you lazy ass, complete useless piece of shit, zero contribution to society, loser. It is people with your attitude that cause the great divide between the rich and the poor. You sit on your ass and expect the rest of us hard working people to support you while you fuck around on a computer all day. You type of people completely disgust me. You want to change how the system works, then get off your ass and contribute instead of expecting a fucking hand out.

When I was a kid, my mother stayed home to raise 3 boys and my father worked 12 to 14 hrs a day to put food on the table. We had nothing but the roof over our heads and the basic necessities of life. I did not have a bicycle, play sports, and get to partake in any school field trips because we had no money.

I got my first paper route when I was 13. We used that money to buy my own tooth brush and later shoes. When I turned 16 I got a job as a bus boy at a restaurant. I used that money to buy a motorcycle so I could get a better job outside of my area.

When I turned 20 I started as a laborer on a construction site. I was paid minimum wage to start. I needed more money, so I worked my fucking ass off to be the best fucking laborer I could be. Amazing!!! I was given a raise for working harder. Now I had more money

22 years later I own a company that averages 17 million a year. Due to the economic slow down, I am down to 107 employees. I pay them all what I feel is a fair wage for the job they are doing. Some of them do not make enough to make their ends meet, so they have a part time job somewhere else. If they did more work here and increased there skill levels through education, I would pay them more.

I worked my fucking ass off to get to where I am today, and some little lazy ass puke is going to QQ that I should just give them part of my wealth. You sir can go fuck your lazy ass self.

Instead of wasting your time in this forum expecting a fucking hand out, walk out the door and contribute something to society.