Upgun puma vs m8

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[nugnugx]

 While moving m8 kills upgun puma with a large margin. I guess this is due to m8s armor and pumas bad acc on move - combining this a moving upgun misses a lot of shots vs m8 while m8 scores nearly every hit.M8 has a 37mm  50dmg and 7 reload gun while a upgun pumas has a 50mm 67.5 dmg  6-5 reload gun.
Pumas moving acc is 0.5 while m8 has 0.75.
Upgun puma cannot go vs tanks but it should be able to kill other light vehs like m8 1vs1.

Thoughts?

[smurfORnot]

remove puma,everyone happy,lol

[Tymathee]

sounds like a balance discussion, lock.

[PonySlaystation]

Fix the pumas and lock this thread pl0x. Do not need another 10 page thread, the pumas are obviously underpowered.

[nugnugx]

I love Tym how you follow me in every thread and try to troll it.

[skaffa]

Fix the pumas and lock this thread pl0x. Do not need another 10 page thread, the pumas are obviously underpowered.

The question is HOW to fix them, need exact suggestions. Eg the upgun puma moving acc from 0.5 to 0.75

What about the standard Puma ?

[Tymathee]

I love Tym how you follow me in every thread and try to troll it.

Yeah, no. You follow every POST I make and make some stupid smart mouthed remark. When you were gone for a few weeks this board no, community was better for it, just do us all a favor and go away you don't add ANYTHING to this community.

[nugnugx]

Eg the upgun puma moving acc from 0.5 to 0.75

Yea with this it would be on same standard as m8, and with better gun a upgun puma -theoretically- should kill a m8 1vs1.

(does puma also have phase armor like m8?)

What about the standard Puma ?

Standard is only vs AI like the AC so i don't see a problem here.


Also it seems that m8 gets some moving accuracy buffs.

[BigDick]

The question is HOW to fix them, need exact suggestions. Eg the upgun puma moving acc from 0.5 to 0.75

What about the standard Puma ?

how about making the standard puma be able to reliable kill (penetrate) halftracks/quads and brencarriers as a start and maybe better accuracy vs. garnisoned units? And maybe some doctrine unlocks making the puma able to cap

Yea with this it would be on same standard as m8, and with better gun a upgun puma -theoretically- should kill a m8 1vs1.

(does puma also have phase armor like m8?)


Standard is only vs AI like the AC so i don't see a problem here.


Also it seems that m8 gets some moving accuracy buffs.

the problem here is the moving penalty is 100% higher on puma gun than on m8 gun and stacking ontop of that the puma gun gets a penalty against moving m8

so yeah its quite hard to hunt down a m8 with an upgunned puma

[skaffa]

What about its power in killing infantry, is that fine you think ?

[BigDick]

What about its power in killing infantry, is that fine you think ?

its not that great but the puma is lower pop (6 non upgunned) and if you could backcap and harress with some doc unlock it would be a bit usefull

the moving accuracy could need a slight buff to 0.75 to make the puma a bit better in killing with propper micro

(if 0.75 is to high maybe trying 0.65 first)

[RikiRude]

sweet angry jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. how many pumas are UP threads do we need? i think everyone knows, they devs just have other things to worry about atm.

[WildZontar]

Nug, aren't you banned from the balance forum?

[Mister Schmidt]

I need a shit

[Tymathee]

I need a shit

make it on this thread.

[RikiRude]

should wipe our ass with this thread. im kind of tempted to just go through the eirr forums and post all the links to puma threads....

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=21375.0

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=20684.0

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=21504.0

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=14948.0

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=8449.0


Given that some are a little old, but we are still talking about the same basic units.

bottom line it would be great if EIRRMod could say, "ok puma will take a good looking at, but we have 234234 more priorities atm" or "it's fine". Then after that, all puma threads should be banned until they actually look into changing it.