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[Smokaz]

what would be even more awesome is if there was a bar showing when your tanks or slow-firing weapons are reloading so that you could effectively move-stop-fire-move

[Hicks58]

I don't see why it wouldn't be... But I feel that knowing how long units take to reload is all a part of your skill set.

If there was a way to show it only for your own and friendly units I'd dig it, but showing it for both might take something away from the gameplay tbh.

[smurfORnot]

yea,to see your own units,and maybe frendly,it would be okay...no point in showing this for enemy units,to easily exploitable.

[NightRain]

This is exactly same like each tank is showing a aura that represents its range. It was rejected at straight hand.

[Smokaz]

This is exactly same like each tank is showing a aura that represents its range. It was rejected at straight hand.

why is this cool for 57mms and mortars and mg42s to have, but not tanks ?

[DarkSoldierX]

It might be possible, but if it was i'd disapprove of it being used at all.

[smurfORnot]

and why is that?

[DarkSoldierX]

Lowers amount of brainpower needed to play the game. Reload times should be in your heart by now. Its a advantage you should have by playing this long.


Which now brings me to think, I might support it being activated on proven noobs to help them learn the game.

[Hicks58]

If we really wanted to, we could probably show reload, range, angle of fire, active penetration chances (With quite a bit of work...) and damage dealt to the target per shot.

The reason I wouldn't want all that is two-fold:

One, It'd seriously dumb down the game.

Two, I'm not playing a sim.

So in retrospect... I guess I wouldn't want any sort of display. The reason why it's handy on HMG's and ATG's is because they cant actively turn on the spot without player assistance.

[puddin]

pEOPLE WILL FIGHT THIS BECAUSE THE LONG TIME PLAYERS STILL WANT AN ADVANTAGE OVER NEWER PLAYERS.

Make it the same as the 57, don;t make the ark there all the time, But while you go to place it, LEt it be seen. 

It will be more Noob friendly, and allow people to comprehend COH better.

Alot of people who are now playing this mod, have never played COH, They jump right into this mod...  Or they spend 5 bucks to play this Mod, its amazing i have run into no less than 4 in the past 2 weeks that have done this. 

Want the community to grow, put in some more noob friendly mechanics.

[Smokaz]

If we really wanted to, we could probably show reload, range, angle of fire, active penetration chances (With quite a bit of work...) and damage dealt to the target per shot.

The reason I wouldn't want all that is two-fold:

One, It'd seriously dumb down the game.

Two, I'm not playing a sim.

So in retrospect... I guess I wouldn't want any sort of display. The reason why it's handy on HMG's and ATG's is because they cant actively turn on the spot without player assistance.

to me this would make EIRR more strategic and transparent.

i also find myself agreeing with puddin, this would make the mod more noob friendly.

[Hicks58]

If it can be done without it looking a mess I suppose I might come around to the idea.

Hell, your right. The new guys deserve as much a chance as we do.

[Demon767]

+1 for noob friendly stuff

[BigDick]

could we change the attack target by a movement plan that keep optimal distance?

e.g. if you attack with riflesquad a mp40 squad it will keep max distance while getting as close as possible while attacking a vanilla volks squad

oh and can we make tanks reverse back automatically when being shot by at weapons?

and we could add a circlestrafe function for m10s etc.


+10 noob friendly 

[hans]

Quote from: Smokaz on March 12, 2009, 06:52:57 pm
what would be even more awesome is if there was a bar showing when your tanks or slow-firing weapons are reloading so that you could effectively move-stop-fire-move

great idea

[Groundfire]

Tbh, I would like to see this as part of the of a doctrine or the veterancy system.

It would work like tank awareness or something and would be unlocked only to you with a doctrine choice or if your commander gets ranked high enough.

[hans]

Tbh, I would like to see this as part of the of a doctrine or the veterancy system.

It would work like tank awareness or something and would be unlocked only to you with a doctrine choice or if your commander gets ranked high enough.

on vet 2 would be nice

[Hicks58]

could we change the attack target by a movement plan that keep optimal distance?

e.g. if you attack with riflesquad a mp40 squad it will keep max distance while getting as close as possible while attacking a vanilla volks squad

oh and can we make tanks reverse back automatically when being shot by at weapons?

and we could add a circlestrafe function for m10s etc.


+10 noob friendly 

There's a difference between providing information and using the information for them. -.-'

[SpaceHamster]

pEOPLE WILL FIGHT THIS BECAUSE THE LONG TIME PLAYERS STILL WANT AN ADVANTAGE OVER NEWER PLAYERS.

Make it the same as the 57, don;t make the ark there all the time, But while you go to place it, LEt it be seen.  

It will be more Noob friendly, and allow people to comprehend COH better.

Alot of people who are now playing this mod, have never played COH, They jump right into this mod...  Or they spend 5 bucks to play this Mod, its amazing i have run into no less than 4 in the past 2 weeks that have done this.  

Want the community to grow, put in some more noob friendly mechanics.

Well I would agree with you pudding but there is a reason I don’t,

Imagine how people played VCoH in the past and up till now, nobody in the game ever needed to see how long it would take for there panther to shoot, where the rear armor meets the front armor, the arc of the mg, the range of the tank, and etc. People just learned it as time went on. Imagine if all these things were shown in the game, it wouldn't feel to me like CoH would. In CoH you enjoy the atmosphere of random crit chances, artillery shells flying across the map, and just seeing the usual tank fights with epic micro, but imagine if you get all this technical stuff in there, it wouldn’t feel like the RTS it was meant to be.

Granted this is a mod, I feel it would completely ruin CoHs atmosphere, and trust me, if you played for atleast a month with each army (or one) you will know what each unit is capable of doing and If not you can just look at CoH stats for the exact numberings you want, the tools are there. So why put the tools into a live game?

Showing reload times, accuracy, range, or anything in game will not help make it noob friendly, noob friendly implies that you specifically put a advantage that can not be exploited by veterans, this I can see being exploited by people who played this game for a long time a lot.

Not saying your wrong man but the mechanics aint gonna help the noobs as much as it will help people who know how this mod works. Noob implies that you are not familiar with the mechanics of the game but every noob usually gets better after a while and learns to familiarize with how the mod works, its all part of the learning process in this mod.

   Also don’t imply the fact that every one who got the game only bought it to play this mod, honestly this mod changes so many things in general that you cant even try to put VCoH gameplay into this because its so different

Honestly who expects a tiger ace with a flak 88 combo right off the bat in the beginning of the game? People are used to the fact that the super powerful units are unlocked through progression, not by simply clicking a few buttons in the launcher to get them.

TL;DR – Ruins atmosphere, doesn’t help noobs that much, would get redundant after a few games, not every one bought this game to play only the mod.

[Smokaz]

Helps noobs a lot and they need all the help they can get. You say it doesnt help noobs, but it gives easy access to information which took the older player effort to find and learn, and to keep updated on.