TheIcelandicManiac
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« on: December 06, 2011, 11:15:50 am » |
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As most people know in the old doctrines existed an unit that was loved by some but hated by most for it was considerd useless to people that had no focus and were strick bar spamming with carbines type of people and with that there was the disscussion of removing said unit from the doctrine in the next doctrines that would be added a.k.a the one that is now. The unit i am ofcourse talking about is the Assult riflemen, It had the ability to buy Grease guns, 3 tomsons for 70-80(unsure) 1 satiel charge, grenades and ofcourse the cherry ontop of the pie Flamers. Why am i bringing this up now you may askyourself but that is quite clear if you actually played with greaseguns(witch may be quite decent for their price) they are quite "Lackluster" for a t3 unlock and you may say But you allso get Zooks on rifles blablabal , Well for the price of 55 mun and even tough it may be quite handy for something that can barely scratch tanks on the front or side armor sence the buff to skirts and with the most horrible nerf to the Tank reaper T4 witch was quite balanced for its useless of unfocused buffs and quite lackluster tree(+5 hp for each ranger in a squad really? wow i got 30 more hp on my squad witch means that each of my unit can survive an EXTRA single bullet trought the chest). You may ask yourself what is the whole point of this all? well i am just asking the Balance team to atleast consider thinking about possibly granting the T3 unlock back its rightfull unit and give it its old price of really low manpower cost but horribly high Pool cost as it was and maybe we can all cry the tears of joy that we see smoke be used to toast and roast those vial naziz in the war against the Reigh. spelling erros everywhere, gonna fix them when hand not feezing |
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 11:58:30 am » |
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and increase T3 +Hp for rangers and T4 zook buff?
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Smokaz
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 12:01:26 pm » |
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the +5 for rangers could go up to +10 if they had thompsons unlocked
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 12:12:23 pm » |
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the +5 for rangers could go up to +10 if they had thompsons unlocked
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i can deal with the pathetic +5 IFFF major SMG drop price. but for 130mu. Rangers better grow some steal balls but u got to admit zook buff to t4 is lack luster. NVM i guess proper zook buff changes roll |
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Smokaz
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 12:24:46 pm » |
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Problem was old zook buff (+25%) penetration/dmg made them to good for cost.
I would look at perhaps making tank reapers a unlock where you can buy more expensive but better zooks if they want it back. But I think mod leadership thinks TR is fine.
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Tymathee
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 12:27:28 pm » |
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tank reaper is supposesd to make things better at what it originally does, not change its role. TR zooks are better flanker killers now but still dont have pen power to knock out tanks. Old TR zooks were the lulz. I once had 4 ranger squads make mincemeat of a vet 2 tiger.
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TheIcelandicManiac
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 01:25:16 pm » |
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God fuckign dammit people, This thread is about Adding fucking ASSULT RIFLEMEN BACK INTO THE MOD Not fucking shitty doctrine design.
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Hicks58
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 01:35:14 pm » |
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Problem was old zook buff (+25%) penetration/dmg made them to good for cost.
I would look at perhaps making tank reapers a unlock where you can buy more expensive but better zooks if they want it back. But I think mod leadership thinks TR is fine.
As far as bazookas are concerned, TR is junk. The other buffs in there for other weaponry is great, but the bazooka buffs need serious love. Nerfing the +25% penetration and damage was a knee-jerk reaction. The extra damage was very good, and the penetration increase was negligible (and still is). The best case scenario for old TR was changing penetration against unskirted PIV's from 44.9% to 56.13%. Anything else, it wasn't worth shit for frontal penetration. Example, skirted PIV's go from 33.68% to 42.09%. Chances for penetrating a Panther still remain under 20% even unskirted. Tigers, StuG's and Hetzer's still lol at the penetration chances. |
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I mean I know Obama was the first one in EiR to get a card. and tbfh the Race card is pretty OP. but Romney has the K.K.K., those guys seem to camo anywhere. So OP units from both sides.
At the end of the day, however, stormtroopers finally got the anal invasion with a cactus they have richly deserved for years.
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Tymathee
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 02:06:46 pm » |
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i want flame rifles back <3
step 1 - drop officer smoke
step 2 - rush flame rofl forward
step 3 - ?
step 4 - profit!
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 02:16:03 pm » |
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Yeah but where would you put them? GMC + Jumbo + Flame rifles would be overpowered for a doctrine unlock. Can't put them in the T1 or the T2 either. Maybe if you moved the Officer to T3 they could be paired with the Howitzer.
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Don't knock it til uve tried it bitchface, this isn't anything like salads version. Besides u said a semois conversion would never work, now look that's the most played map, ohgodwhy.jpg r u map lead
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 02:18:48 pm » |
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Give GMC to AB. RR+GMC
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bad luck skaffa> creates best and most played eir maps
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Don't knock it til uve tried it bitchface, this isn't anything like salads version. Besides u said a semois conversion would never work, now look that's the most played map, ohgodwhy.jpg r u map lead |
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TheIcelandicManiac
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 02:25:09 pm » |
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Yeah but where would you put them? GMC + Jumbo + Flame rifles would be overpowered for a doctrine unlock. Can't put them in the T1 or the T2 either. Maybe if you moved the Officer to T3 they could be paired with the Howitzer.
Do you know how to read? Honestly the main reason why i want assult rifles back is becouse the current top t3 is quite what could you say........ a shitty version of the old t2 and just grease guns taken from the old assult rifles. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 02:25:47 pm » |
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Smokaz
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 02:26:09 pm » |
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Not sure why single zook on rifles is 55, given that its a unlock, and that platform is signficantly worse than 2/80 on rangers.
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 02:47:31 pm » |
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Because the dev team CBA to give new toys to the amis?
Riflezooks are meh, smokenades are so situational; I almost never see them (motar smoke = better), and the Grease Guns...crappier mp40 with a marginally better playform...yay? Bars do the job better (and are more cost effective).
Infantry Equiptment should give a boatload of new unlocks; whats in now + LMGs, Trenchguns, whatever. But atm, the T3 isnt really any good.
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TheIcelandicManiac
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2011, 03:08:05 pm » |
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Well actually its a really old toy sorta like the 280mm neb(that thing was removed for a good reason) for when spammed to death it was so horibly OP but when a single one was used at a time it was quite useless, if you would go over some old Shoutcasts you can see some quite fun toys that were before the doctrine changes.
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Demon767
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2011, 03:10:49 pm » |
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I faced TR zooks with my IST p4's, they pentrated my frontal armour 100%. i thought they werent meant to do that
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Tymathee
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2011, 03:20:54 pm » |
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no one said they wouldn't...it's a percentage for each zook, not oh this one hit this one wont.
u can have something with 99% pentration bounce 10 straight shots off of something, thats just the coh engine. (no 5% bug)
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 03:25:45 pm » |
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I faced TR zooks with my IST p4's, they pentrated my frontal armour 100%. i thought they werent meant to do that
Just a spout of bad luck Demon tbh. |
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Demon767
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2011, 03:44:35 pm » |
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If they meant "only do better what they are already good at" there shouldnt be any penetration increase, only damage and accuracy. Why is that? because you dont need penetration to hit light vehicles or the rear armour of Tanks. So if the argument for TR zooks is void if its "only do better what they are already good at" just through the increase in penetration tells us differently.
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