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[Evilnrg]

YOU CANT Compare those 2 units .... They are different ........

its like a m10 can kill a tiger

or rock paper scissors

and a sniper win vs storms from range

AND YES YOUR SETUP IS WRONG :

Should be rifles or jeep  scouting sniper behind and  hmg and atg behind the sniper...... Learn to support it correctly and  you wont see a Storm decloak your sniper.....
 

[tank130]

YOU CANT Compare those 2 units .... They are different ........

its like a m10 can kill a tiger

or rock paper scissors

and a sniper win vs storms from range

AND YES YOUR SETUP IS WRONG :

Should be rifles or jeep  scouting sniper behind and  hmg and atg behind the sniper...... Learn to support it correctly and  you wont see a Storm decloak your sniper.....
 

Right......................... WTF was I thinking.

It makes total sense for me to invest 930 MP / 200 Muni / 10 fuel  - 16 POP to ensure that a 300 MP 5 pop unit can not kill my 540 Mp 200 Muni 7 POP unit.........

You guys are still completely missing the point.

[BigDick]

its really hard to get the point tbh

i personally wouldn't mind if storms are taken out of the game entirely - i hate playing with teammates using them, i hate playing against them and i seldom use them myself

but you sound like:

i move around with my 320+ mun stormsquad...a riflesquad appears and i have 2 options
a) decloake the storms and expose position and try to escape - while being hunted merciless
b) keep cloaked and risk that i will be decloaked when riflesquad comes close cos to slow to move away intime

result: imbalanced
solutions: either make storms run normal speed while cloaked or give them increased sight to be warned when infantry is moving into their direction to make it properly out of danger zone

[brn4meplz]

Considering Snipers can make or break a Match, yeah that makes sense. Besides you're going to have auxiliary units on field anyway, just keep the sniper close by. If you want to scout use a Jeep. If you want to kill crit infantry use a Sniper.


His Storms are in the Exact same boat as your Sniper, you just can't see it. If he wants to ensure his 5 pop 300mp/270mu unit doesn't get blasted by Support teams or BAR's he's gotta support them accordingly.

The name of the game is combined arms.

[tank130]

Considering Snipers can make or break a Match, yeah that makes sense. Besides you're going to have auxiliary units on field anyway, just keep the sniper close by. If you want to scout use a Jeep. If you want to kill crit infantry use a Sniper.


His Storms are in the Exact same boat as your Sniper, you just can't see it. If he wants to ensure his 5 pop 300mp/270mu unit doesn't get blasted by Support teams or BAR's he's gotta support them accordingly.

The name of the game is combined arms.

It's 300 MP - 0 Munis unless you upgrade it. That 300 MP unit has the exact same sight and cloak abilities as the 540 MP / 200 Muni unit it is killing.

[BigDick]

a sniper is no storm counter because its a long range unit that can only shoot units what it sees

a storm squad is an ambush unit that uses the cloak to get into position/close distance to attack

thats like saying an AT gun sucks vs infantry


but i wouldn't mind if infantry detection is generally buffed by 1-2

[Audemed]

Tank, I'm not sure we're getting your point. The sniper should be screened for by a vehicle or other infantry, a storm squad should never be able to even touch him. The sniper is an extremely powerful unit that can kill units in buildings with no danger to itself (something no other infantry can do), can decrew guns, and can focus down indibvidual soldiers (again unique).

They're extremely difficult to counter (bike rush aside) and tbh, I really don't care that they're decloaked by storms. You can't compare the two as being equals, despite that mp44 storms and snipers are both AI, they're just too different.

[PonySlaystation]

Tank, stop already, you have been proved wrong. Don't be a nugnug.

[tank130]

Snip....... The sniper is an extremely powerful unit that can kill units in buildings with no danger to itself (something no other infantry can do), can decrew guns, and can focus down indibvidual soldiers (again unique).

Audemnd, you are the first person in this thread to actually post something intelligent. Everyone else just posts their perceived counter.
Some people don't even read the fucking thread and think I am hunting storms with a sniper....LOL

I agree with you that the sniper is more powerful then the storms, for the reasons you posted. I also agree that they are hard to counter. Bike rush was the only real counter. That is why they are so freaken' expensive.

What I don't agree with is Storms being a counter to snipers by using cloak. It was never seen before, but now has become very common. No one has complained before because no one was doing it. Now they are.
Like many things in ERR, we did not know there was a problem until it happens.

What I am NOT asking for here is for storms to double in price or snipers be cheaper.
I am simply asking for snipers to see cloaked storms first. I think the sniper should be able to decloak the storms before the storms are so close the sniper can not get away or the support can not do what they are supposed to do.

The sniper is a powerful unit and is priced as such. The 1/2 priced storms should not have the same cloaking sight vs the sniper.

[Audemed]

Storms have been used to counter snipers in vcoh for as long as i've played the game, tbh.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Dude, I bumped into your sniper 1 Time by accident while spotting for my pak so i could kill that pershing, Its your own fault of having a sniper in the middle of nowhere so close to my lines and mostly unsupported.

You didn't really have to go the great leanghts of making a thread about it for if so why did you not then post a thread about having 2 tigers at the same time is bullshit for it makes the same sense, you don't have an expensive unit on field all alone when you know the enemy can run around with storms trying to find and kill it(in my case meet it by accident).

Same is i dont have a tiger unsupported when i know they have atgs and Tank destroyers so why should the same not apply to the Sniper?
they are both heavy support based units for we all know the tiger cant do shit without AT on its side so why cant you accept that a sniper cant do shit without a jeep or riflemen by their side?

Its a support unit, Support it for when i killed your sniper there was nothing but a single pershing around 30m away from it, Yes its annoying that storms are so good Anti sniper counters and with blitz they are both fast and deadly but with support its no problem to stop them, Your argument about storms being to good of an anti sniper unit we could just as much go with Ostwind is too good as an Light tank counter, Its one of their bonuses of their use and unless the user knows how to use it its just a good anti inf counter that is easyles made useless by an ATG or zooks and same applies to the tiger, its Great as Anti Inf and is fine at Anti tank but unless the user knows how to use it as that it can be killed by a single M10 or an upgunned sherman.

Man i really suck at english.

[Spartan_Marine88]

+12 million to you ice

[tank130]

Dude, I bumped into your sniper 1 Time by accident while spotting for my pak so i could kill that pershing, Its your own fault of having a sniper in the middle of nowhere so close to my lines and mostly unsupported.

You didn't really have to go the great leanghts of making a thread about it for if so why did you not then post a thread about having 2 tigers at the same time is bullshit for it makes the same sense, you don't have an expensive unit on field all alone when you know the enemy can run around with storms trying to find and kill it(in my case meet it by accident).

Same is i dont have a tiger unsupported when i know they have atgs and Tank destroyers so why should the same not apply to the Sniper?
they are both heavy support based units for we all know the tiger cant do shit without AT on its side so why cant you accept that a sniper cant do shit without a jeep or riflemen by their side?

Its a support unit, Support it for when i killed your sniper there was nothing but a single pershing around 30m away from it, Yes its annoying that storms are so good Anti sniper counters and with blitz they are both fast and deadly but with support its no problem to stop them, Your argument about storms being to good of an anti sniper unit we could just as much go with Ostwind is too good as an Light tank counter, Its one of their bonuses of their use and unless the user knows how to use it its just a good anti inf counter that is easyles made useless by an ATG or zooks and same applies to the tiger, its Great as Anti Inf and is fine at Anti tank but unless the user knows how to use it as that it can be killed by a single M10 or an upgunned sherman.

Man i really suck at english.

You suck at more than just English my friend.....LOL. Your post is rambling and pointless.

My post has zero to do with the game you are talking about. The game you are talking about you killed my sniper while I was moving everything over to flank. It was just bad luck for me on that one.

I do not rage post and I do not post random shit with out some thought and research. I would expect people with the game skills that you and Spartan claim to have, to actually look at the factual information posted.

Unfortunately you are both too busy wagging your Epeens to see past your own egos.

[smurfORnot]

It makes total sense for me to invest 930 MP / 200 Muni / 10 fuel  - 16 POP to ensure that a 300 MP 5 pop unit can not kill my 540 Mp 200 Muni 7 POP unit.........

I have Tiger,single m18 can  kite it from range all day,So I need to have have 21pop/(550+380?)/550fuel?/around 250mun to have my tiger safe against m18 12pop/300mp/185fuel?  . Yea tank,your logic seems legit...

[brn4meplz]

I posted nothing about storm hunting with a sniper Tank.
I'm saying a storm trooper squad hunting a tank is the same as a sniper hunting anything. (range aside) a 2x schreck squad gets rolled by any infantry even vanilla rifles.

Detection is the same across anything. Just because the sniper costs more out of the gate doesn't mean all it's stats are superior. Storm troops finding your sniper is no different then greens finding your sniper. You just can't see them. That singular reason is your only basis for argument here, and we've debunked it.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

You suck at more than just English my friend.....LOL. Your post is rambling and pointless.

Well at least i know how to play the bloody game, i don't send in support units unsupported a and then post a rage post on the forum( and yes its a bloddy rage post for there is nothing wrong with that storms and snipers have the same detection radius for if you know the enemy has storms on the battlefeild you always expect them to be somewhere around you(i would on the other hand agree that jeeps should have larger detect radius.)) when some actual micro and good use of a unit beats you.

Ps: i am alot better than you at this game

[tank130]

Well at least i know how to play the bloody game, i don't send in support units unsupported a and then post a rage post on the forum( and yes its a bloddy rage post for there is nothing wrong with that storms and snipers have the same detection radius for if you know the enemy has storms on the battlefeild you always expect them to be somewhere around you(i would on the other hand agree that jeeps should have larger detect radius.)) when some actual micro and good use of a unit beats you.

Ps: i am alot better than you at this game

Careful with that Epeen Ice, you just might poke yourself in the eye with it. Claiming you are better than me at this game is not exactly a major event. You should probably set your sights a little higher if you want to brag about being better than someone......

But if bragging you are better than the old dude with slow reflexes makes you feel better about yourself, be my guest. Your opinion of me means so little to my life that it brings me pleasure knowing I can help your self esteem with your claims.

In regards to a rage post: give it a rest. My post went up a day after I played that game and after I played 5 more games. It was actually after playing axis and watching a player use storms to hunt a sniper that I thought it was too easy and bullshit. Much like your company Ice, they were using blitz storms.

But I am done with this for now. In a few weeks when the tatic becomes more prevalent, more people will post and it won't just be old man tank on a "anti-storm" crusade as some claim.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Are you trying to trick me?

This file was made 31.12.2011 at 00:40 and only 22 minutes later you post this thread so no this thread was not posted 1 day after and allso you could not have played 5 more games after that game so yea, dont fuck with someone thats autistic but never the less i dont know if you played some games Before that for i do not care about going that far back into the Intell page or even bother to go a single game back.

Success


Well to be fair my company is complete bullshit and one of the many things i would like to see nerfed but no one agrees with me.

Ps: i dont really for this argument and i would like to see storms nerfed in the future but still what you complane about here is mildly abuserd for if you know the enemy has storms you atleast try to be careful and keep your troops on the move at all times.

PPs: age has nothing to do with your ability to play of all things, if you have the spare time go ask someone on how to play for even tough your Canadian manlyness may be in your way of receving help it helps getting help from someone that is willing to help you.

PPPs: dont state untrue fact to me for i still remember the game when you told me you where an arcitect for it was on church and you allmost killed RoyalHants vet 3 commando sniper.

[Smokaz]

Need players in launcher. Crappy thread

[TheIcelandicManiac]

That game is a Noob/smurf fight, dont see why anyone would like to play that.